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[-] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 63 points 2 days ago

now, instead of a gaza genocide problem, we have a gaza genocide and iran genocide problem. that's of course ignoring the america genocide, the climate apocalypse, and the healthcare and economy crises, which were bad before, but now....

not that 3rd party/ abstainers are responsible for all this, but i really want to understand what they thought they would accomplish by yelling and shouting about the 100% guaranteed fail route of sitting out or voting for jill fucking stein

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We were hoping the democrats would realize their mistake and alter their platform

[-] prole 7 points 1 day ago

After losing. So after Trump wins and permanently fucks up our country?

Smart.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Personally I hoped that the threat would be enough. I hoped if we were all really loud about it the Democratic party would go, "hey I think we might lose this one if we don't stop murdering thousands of people". I hoped they would choose winning the election and at least delaying fascism over genocide. They didn't and it lost them the election. Now we have the beginnings of fascism AND a genocide. Fantastic. Maybe losing the election will motivate them to do better in the next one, if we have one.

Honestly, I'm mostly just shocked they didn't even try. It's insane to me that they didn't even bother lying. They were just that dedicated to genocide. It sucks that Trump made it in to office so soon, it really does but the Democratic party had the opportunity to prevent it and chose not to. I consider them and their donors far more responsible than anyone in this comment section or in any of our actual lives. They have us in such a twist that we are scrapping with eachother over their decisions.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Some people here on Lemmy are also accelerationists who actually want things up get much worse before they get better. Even dumber.

[-] jumjummy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Absolutely. Yet they hide behind bullshit excuses about how they couldn’t support Harris when they KNEW having Trump win would be terrible for America, and therefore great for their own personal goals.

Fuck those disingenuous trolls.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

i really want to understand what they thought they would accomplish

I’ve been asking for almost two years and no one will say. I get a lot of “screw you, fascist!” And “Oh, so everyone has to have a plan now?!?” amongst other head-scratching non-answers.

The most important thing appears to be to not be involved in any decisions, movements, or other political realities that might conceivably ever have a chance at existing in our lifetimes. I guess.

Honestly at this point most are indistinguishable from straight up FSB bots. Divide the left, no other goals.

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

you get to choose one and only one:

either the group that would not vote for harris is small enough that they don’t deserve representation, in which case the democrat establishment is to blame.

or the group that would not vote for harris is large enough to have impacted the election and deserved representation, in which case the democrat establishment is to blame.

you can’t have both

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The group that would not vote for Harris is small enough that they will be overrun with demented fascism as a definite result of their ill-informed “voting strategy”.

The group that would not vote for Harris is large enough to be roundly mocked and derided for such an obvious and preventable fuckup.

You can have both.

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

you are incorrect, the only one with a voting strategy is the democratic establishment. and they are obviously bad at math. or have chosen this result vs reaching out to their orphaned base

[-] tburkhol@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

I think these are the people who choose "Do nothing" on the 5-v-1 trolley problem. i.e.: they would rather let 5 people die than take an active role in killing one. I can understand the moral argument, but it really does make for objectively poor outcomes.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

The Trolley Problem isn't a correct Games Theory representation of this situation, not even close:

  • For starters, those doing the chosing don't know for sure what's down each track (we do know now, with hindsight and only for the chosen branch, but that's long after making the choice and you still don't know what would be down the other track)
  • Second, it's not an individual choice, it's a mathematical calculation (not even an average) of multiple choices which were not coordinated (i.e. each individual does not know enough at the time of their own choice to predict the final result), so unlike in the Trolley Problem, there is no individual responsibility.
  • Last but not least, this is a cyclical choice were how many victims are on the tracks for the next choice is influenced by what was chosrn in an earlier cycel and even how many people made that choice - sending the tram down a line with more victims now might actually mean fewer victims on the line of one or even both branches for the next choice, or the opposite (clearly past choices created this situation were both candidates were Genocide supporters hence there we're far more victims on both tracks)

You have either been deceived by this propagandistic misuse of Games Theory and are now parroting it without fully understanding it or you are knowingly being deceitful for the purpose of supporting the leaders of your party.

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