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Piracy is bad. (lemmy.world)

It is illegal and immoral. It steals the rightful intellectual property of directors and developers who are only trying to make a living. If you want to be a thief so badly, then rob a federal bank.

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[-] favrion@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[-] xenspidey@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

Not really, there is no property loss. Nothing was taken. That's like saying taking a picture of a piece of art is stealing.

[-] favrion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

What is stealing prey tell? I think it's wrongfully taking something from someone.

[-] favrion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Glad we're on the same page.

[-] kaiomai@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Nothing was taken. It is a copy. The original is still exactly where is was. It is by definition not theft.

[-] favrion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Copies that weren't paid for.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

But not taken, so not stealing by my definition you seemed to agree with

[-] favrion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If you don't pay for something then it's theft. I win.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

But piracy takes nothing. The original owner still has it.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Who are you taking things from? Is the grocery store example wrong as well?

[-] Gullible@kbin.cafe 3 points 1 year ago
[-] favrion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Die in a police shootout then.

[-] octobob@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Dramatic much?

If I download something that I never would have paid for anyway, either because I just wouldn't pay for that product, or because I literally cannot pay for that product, who has lost out? I haven't deprived anyone of anything. It's not like I've taken a physical thing away from them.

[-] favrion@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

How? I was never going to give them money. Digital files are not a finite resource. How have I deprived them of anything?

[-] favrion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Because you didn't properly pay for it.

Are you being obstinate on purpose, or do you really not understand? I would not pay for these files. There is zero per cent chance of this company getting my money. How have they lost out by my copying these files?

[-] favrion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You're an idiot troll, I see.

[-] favrion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, I am set in my opinion.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

What about a game or movie you've already bought? Are you morality allowed to copy it for your own use in your system?

[-] favrion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

That form of piracy is even legal.

[-] AbsolutelyNotABot@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Ok but then you create a production problem.

You download it, but that piece of media still had a cost of production. If you don't pay for it then the producers must find other monetization methods.

It's one of the reasons the modern web is based off ads, or why free-to-play with microtransanction is so common.

I'm not suggesting that I do this for everything, or that everyone should do it constantly. For example, I bought Baldur's Gate 3 on release, as it seemed worth it. But Ubisoft's latest shitfest? Probably might be worth a pirate, see if I enjoy it. If I do really enjoy it, I might buy the game. Or I might not, since Ubisoft are a bunch of utter cunts.

[-] AbsolutelyNotABot@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Probably might be worth a pirate

But here comes a problem of fairness.

You not only want to play the game, you also want to decide how much is worthed for the producer. If the price is too high, don't play it. Imagine going to a restaurant and saying "sure, cook for me, I'll later pay you if and how much I think it will worthed"

Not only this but:

Or I might not, since Ubisoft are a bunch of utter cunts.

Because you acknowledge the damaging nature of piracy, not only that, you also decide that rules are applied arbitrarily, which is a terrible thing to base your system on.

this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2023
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