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Always remember, both sides are just as bad!
(lemmy.world)
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/9183854
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this post was submitted on 26 Mar 2026
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As do .ml and hexbear.
Excuse me for not seeing a credible difference between genocidal warmonger (blue) and genocidal warmonger (red)
But Putin attacking countries is fiiiiine. Ukraine and Western propaganda and all that.
firstly isn't that whataboutism?
either way I'm opposed to inter-capitalist wars and despots like Putin.
In a discussion about the misrepresentation of political stances to further various agendas, it is not a whataboutism to point out a commonly held political hypocrisy.
I mean it is a misrepresentation of my political stance, plus the topic was warmongers running our government and they were like 'what about russia'
If your primary concern had been its misrepresentation of your values, why didn't you lead with that? The topic of .ml and hexbear was brought up as examples of people pushing the narrative in OP - hence why including a hypocrisy about the topic common in those communities is relevant.
A pretty common sentiment on hexbear is that Putin is someone Lenin would have shot. Opposing the war in ukraine as an inter-capitalist war is pretty common position as well. I don't see the hypocrisy, just looks like someone attacking a made-up position
You, a .ml user, very literally express the sentiment in the OP in your first comment - you equate (red) and (blue) as warmongers you fail to see the difference between.
That the communities are far more pro-Russian than other spaces online is trivially easy to confirm - not perhaps to the flippant degree bassomitron presented, but it's still true. And while you yourself may not be an example of that (although your primary stance appears to be that both Ukraine and Russia are equally wrong due to it being an inter-capitalist war and not a war of aggression by one capitalist state, which hmm. You also appear to have at one point earnestly believed the lies that there are "nazi gangs" running around Ukraine, which is not your fault but I hope you have reevaluated that belief since then), that's not relevant to the above generalization.
(edit: clarity)
There are and were plenty of nazi gangs running around. they've just been largely integrated into the military formations, idk what to tell you. Believe it or not both sides can have their issues. This isn't a Marvel movie.
Both sides are capitalist states fighting over spheres of influence and neither represents working class interests.
Q E D, as it were...
So you've got nothing, got it.
Even with the addition from your edit, I see very little I need to further contribute here. You have served as a perfect illustration of my point. Thank you.
As an unconcerned bystander I do wonder what you would have to contribute, as it seems you're mostly trying to hate on users from a few particular instances, without any real substance to it. And it does look like you think you had a real "gotcha!" moment there. Instead you're just looking like someone with an axe to grind taking it out on random folks.
There's a delightful irony in you attempting to bait this further using a meme depicting something that never actually happened in the anime. Well done, you've made a game attempt, better luck next time, similarly dismissively pompus statements, etc. etc.
It's a great depiction of what you've been up to right now though
wow it's just like all your other comments!
Q. E. D.
Where's the lie though
I've written before on electoralism. There are a few issues with @Diva@lemmy.ml point of view here.
To be clear I am not saying that elections are the only thing that matter or the only thing that we should be doing; just that it is foolish to be ignoring them. Ideally, we should be having our own party, but in places where that is not possible, we should participate in primaries and vote as left as possible. Diva's dismissiveness here is effectively saying we should step out of the way and let fascists have their way. Harm reduction is still important.
I will also just tag a comment here that voting is still a form of organizing and building credibility. If you have a movement and can persuade its members to vote then said members can also be persuaded to protest or strike. In the west voting carries little personal harm, so if people find that too tall then one can be sure that any higher order resistance might not happen.
At a minimum we should all be voting left in primaries to have statistics that there is in fact a left leaning populace that is being ignored. Protest votes and spoiled ballots are also good moves to do.
Diva is not wrong that the dems are also capitalists, but their apathy is discouraging leftist unity and changes to our material conditions.
This is a false binary. I criticize democrat politicians for arming a genocide, that's me demanding better from them because their actions on that front cost them the election and tens of thousands of people their lives.
Harm reduction for whom? did it include Palestinians getting bombed with US weapons? any of other victims of US foreign policy? Trump couldn't operate with impunity as he is if the democrats didn't set him up for it.
No it fucking isn't. Organizing is organizing. Be it building dual power, mutual aid networks, unions, affinity groups, whatever. Voting is the bare minimum civic participation. Conflating them is a diversionary tactic designed to make people think they've done something groundbreaking by filling in a ballot.
completely backwards. Movements don't start with voting and scale up to strikes. they start with material organizing and sometimes engage in electoral politics tactically (ideally with an actual workers party)
Funny, did this in the 2024 'primaries' with uncommitted votes; all warning signs were completely ignored. surely if we keep trying the same things will work out eventually.
I'm not apathetic, I'm actually quite involved in irl organizing (actual organizing, not electoral). I'm just not particularly invested in the democratic party.
For many vulnerable people. Its good that you are unaffected by the election results, but please check your privilege.
A bare minimum that mls cannot be bothered to do. As such they have no credibility to doing higher level activity.
Are you aware that there have been elections before that? We should have been organized long before. J Edgar Hoover thanks you for your contributions. You are the leftist he would wish to see. Disorganized and unwilling to take actions.
Right, you cared so much you couldn't spare an afternoon every two years? Maybe skip the shit posting a few days to get some of the time to do so. Not all of us are so privileged as to not care about the harm reduction at the least.
I'm actually pretty fucking affected by them, I'm a trans woman and plenty fucking familiar with economic precarity. I've been having my prescriptions fucked with on and off ever since Trump got in office, my insurance even stopped covering pretty much every formulation of estrogen other than ones used by cis women
You're lecturing me about privilege because you don't like how I feel about your preferred party of genocide enablers.
I've voted in pretty much every fucking election on and off year in my adult life, plus I'm an anarchist.
It's rich accusing me of being a fed/useful idiot while identifying voting for the democratic party as the truly useful activity.
Once more, I've fucking voted every year for over two decades. I even vote in municipal elections, those happen on odd numbered years.
feel free to continue attacking straw targets though I guess.
Seems you didn't read my opening statement:
It's not like you've read anything I've said. You couldn't even seem to register that I vote in these fucking elections routinely and still find the democrats disgusting.
I also did read and respond to that, you called me privileged without engaging with anything I said.
And I never said you were wrong to do so. I am saying your bad attitude around voting is undermining our leftist movements by being needlessly divisive.
personally I find sending unlimited weapons to a genocide to be needlessly divisive.
feel free to continue trying to tone police my 'bad attitude' (criticizing democrats)
And therefore we should ignore voting even more? The ml position here reads like abstinence; which is effectively to give up.
Talk about a strawman. Like I said earlier. It would be ideal for us to have our own party. It would be great if mls like you would join us in support of it. Until then the progressive wing of US politics lives in the dem party and it would be helpful to our movement to help it grow as much as it can.
And since you care so much about strawmanning; don't forget I did say voting is only one thing we should do. Not the only thing ;)
Hey, I'm an anarchist, at least pretend you're reading anything I'm saying. I vote plenty, you can't seem to register that though because you're stuck fighting ghosts.
"We should have our own party BUT actually let's just be dem progressives forever"
Also I'm an anarchist, once more you seem incapable of processing anything I say.
You spend an entire thread accusing me of not voting and undermining leftism by criticizing dems and are now pretending that voting isn't all you are advocating for? Talking out both sides of your mouth