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submitted 2 weeks ago by Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Some of you need to watch this video, and hang your head in shame.

Dylan Taylor has been receiving constant harassment, including threats to his life and safety, for actions done collectively by SystemD. The article by Sam Bent was explictly mentioned as part of the harassment campaign, and rightfully so.

I don't think enough people realize that this is catastrophically bad. It'll discourage people from becoming open source developers, it'll discourage people from using Linux, and it'll discourage legislators from taking the Linux community seriously.

If you ever wished ill upon another human being for complying with a relatively inconsequential law, you are better off never touching a computer again. The Linux community has collectively gone so far beyond what is acceptable here.

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[-] kogasa@programming.dev 5 points 2 weeks ago

Adding birthday fields is not privacy invading in itself.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, of course. If you ignore current reality, then it's not privacy invading...

[-] kogasa@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago

No, it literally just can't violate your privacy in any way. You have complete control over what, if anything, is placed in that field. No information about you can be gained or disclosed by virtue of the systemd change alone. You can think it's a bad change because it signals intent to follow a trend of supporting privacy-invading age verification, but you can't say this specific change in itself is privacy-invading.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You'd have complete control for now.

Don't give them an inch.

[-] fleinsopp@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Systemd is free software. The four essential freedoms necessitate that you have complete control forever.

The only way that you could lose control is if your hardware manufacturer took away the ability for you to install your own operating system. But then the choice isn't going to be Windows or a Linux flavour personally blessed and tivoised by Lennart, it's going to be Windows or a brick.

[-] kogasa@programming.dev 2 points 2 weeks ago

I don't support the change. That's not my point. My point is that if we're going to argue the dev being threatened isn't a victim because he's actively harming privacy, we should be aware that the changes he proposed are not actually harming privacy at all.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

What the hell else is it used for?

[-] kogasa@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago

It's mostly not going to be used at all.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Then why is it necessary?

[-] Nyadia 13 points 2 weeks ago

Adding a birthday field is not privacy invading in itself the same way brandishing a knife is not assault in itself.

Context matters. I've held knives before and it was completely inocuous. I've used knives to chop vegetables, to spread butter, to carve something out of wood, etc. If I pulled out a knife while in a heated argument with someone that'd be a whole other story, and I don't think "I was just holding the knife, is it illegal to hold knives now?" would exonerate me from accusations of intent or threat to assault someone.

In any other context adding a date of birth field would be inocuous. You're not required to use it after all. But in this context as I understand it, it is explicitly infrastructure for age verification, even if it is not age verification in itself.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

If you have to fill them in, it is.

[-] Tarambor@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

If you have to fill them in, it is.

Thanks for letting us know you've done zero research. You don't have to fill it in just the same as you don't have to fill in the RealName and Email field.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for letting us know you're an ass.

It's not a software issue that requires research. It's a philosophical question of requiring something purely for authoritarian reasons and this is step one.

[-] kogasa@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago

You don't, and you don't have to fill them in with accurate information, so it isn't.

[-] Sightline@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

You don't, until you do.

[-] gian@lemmy.grys.it 4 points 2 weeks ago

Well, It depends on where.

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