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[-] obelisk_complex@piefed.ca 10 points 2 days ago

I wanna know where to buy this guy's keyboard, it must be really rare to have an em-dash key on it.

Fuckin' em-dash, it'll get you every time.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 50 points 2 days ago

You do understand people who write for a living have been using em dashes for longer than AI, yes?

And you don’t need a fancy keyboard to press a few keys to bring up any Unicode character.

People suspecting AI based on the flimsiest logic is getting so fucking tiring with how frequently they are wrong.

[-] Zagorath@quokk.au 32 points 2 days ago

Hear fucking hear. AI can pry the em dash from my fucking cold dead hands. Alt-0151 for life. And Alt-0150, too, when the en dash is more appropriate than a hyphen.

The best test for AI isn't good grammar. It's presenting relatively simplistic ideas in an overly flowery manner; repeating the same idea not in ways that help build an argument, but which are repeating the same idea in different words despite structurally seeming as though they're presenting entirely new points; and other structural problems with the text.

yeah the em dash thing is absolute moron bait

like wow mate, you saw a long dash. call the fucking lab. some people are just punctuation goblins and have been since long before the slop machines turned up

  • ChatGPT generated comment, people need to know that they wouldn't be able to spot a well generated bit of text as AI these days. It's dangerous thinking they can. Was a nice touch when it called itself the slop machine though.

Scientific studies suggest that people usually cannot reliably tell whether a piece of text was written by AI from style alone: accuracy is often only slightly above chance, varies a lot by genre, and drops further for more formal or scientific writing. For example, one 2024 study found average accuracy of about 57% for texts overall, while a 2024 teacher study found that even novice and experienced teachers could not reliably distinguish ChatGPT essays from student essays and were often overconfident in their judgments; likewise, a study of research abstracts found reviewers were largely unsuccessful, with only 38.9% positive identification. There is some evidence that people can improve with explicit feedback and training, but the overall research points to the same conclusion: humans may sometimes pick up clues, yet unaided judgments about whether text is AI-written are generally weak and unreliable, especially when the writing is competent and domain-appropriate. - ChatGPT

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

The beauty of this technique is that false positives just means that it was low quality, corporate speak content.

[-] Zagorath@quokk.au 2 points 2 days ago

Ha! I love it! Nothing lost either way.

[-] moody@lemmings.world 21 points 2 days ago

Like where did the LLMs learn to use the em dash if not from writers using it?

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

Not only that, but some popular programs, like MS Word, will autocorrect for the em dash.

[-] obelisk_complex@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You do understand that most people don't write for a living, and don't use the em-dash? You do understand that as a result the em-dash isn't part of normal human communication and so sticks out like a sore thumb when it does get used?

I'll also point out that I didn't accuse them of using AI to write this. I use AI myself, frequently. "It'll get you" also refers to what you're assuming (probably my fault, I'm sure I could have been clearer) happened here - if it's not AI, people will assume it is. Because it'll get you every fucking time.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Qasim Rashad is not most people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasim_Rashid

And if you didn’t mean to say they were using AI and were only commenting on how it might, that’s fair. But people need to understand it’s got a long history and is used by journalists.

[-] Yliaster@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I've literally been using em-dashes my entire life — long before genAI was even a thing.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago

LibreOffice autocorrects two dashes to em dashes once you finish typing the word that comes after it, I think. Same for iPhone. No special keyboard necessary.

[-] frmrm@peachpie.theatl.social 9 points 2 days ago

Option-Shift-Dash on macOS if you were curious.

[-] Zagorath@quokk.au 1 points 2 days ago

I haven't had a Mac in like 8 years, but I honestly miss its keyboard. All the option key shortcuts are amazing. Many of them extremely intuitive, like en dash being option-hyphen and em dash being option-shift-hyphen, or "not equal to" being option-=. And how easy it makes accents was so great. option-e + for acute, option-i for circumflex, u for umlaut, and backtick for grave. All so easy to remember that I still know it despite not having used it this whole decade.

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago

On my android keyboard, I can just long press the hyphen key to get an em-dash — despite it's associations with AI, people can pry my em-dash from my cold, dead hands

[-] MrShankles@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago

I just longpress my dash key ‐ to — or even an N-dash – on my phone ‐ – —

On a keyboard, it's an alt-combo that I can never remember, but if I typed more on a keyboard, I would

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

PowerToys has a nifty thing for special characters kind of like what you'd do on a phone/tablet by long pressing, makes it pretty easy to access things like — without an alleged dedicated key

You can make em-dash — look.

[-] offspec@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I do compose


when on my desktop to get one, personally. I mostly use them for sentence cut offs though

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