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[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

only problem with me personally about this, is that i'm stuck with gasoline using car, i dont have money to buy 50k electric car :/

[-] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 2 points 18 hours ago

Buying your cars new doesn't help.

[-] astutemural@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago

Ikr? I could have had $10k BYD Dolphin, but we haaaad to do the tariff wars.

I will offhandedly mention that ebikes are getting pretty good/cheap nowadays, but that's obviously not going to work for everyone.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

20k EUR would get me a Dolphin Surf over here, Dolphin is over 30k. We also have tariffs because the EU has an auto industry to protect from cars being sold under cost of manufacturing too. Dacia Spring can be had for like 15k.

It's not a bad deal for the average person looking at a vehicle they don't have to work on, but 2k for a used Audi gets me a significantly more comfortable car that's also more powerful and has twice as much cargo space. I don't even like Audi, it was just the cheapest 6 cylinder diesel wagon around with isofix at the time. Also the list price might've been 2k, I actually paid less because it was ugly as sin (in terms of paintwork, not the model itself).

The economics don't work the same if you're incapable of maintaining a 20 year old German executive car at home (which most people aren't), but for some of us, ICE vehicles are DIRT cheap because you can get a 20 year old one that really has 90% of the tech you'd want in a car, and is missing all the stuff you don't, parts are cheap, and doing your own work on a car is as much therapeutic as it is work. And the reason I specifically go for these vehicles is that they're cheap because people are afraid of the complexity and unreliability, but I'm familiar with them and know how to keep them on the road indefinitely without going bankrupt.

So part of me wishes I had an EV, but the other part of me says I'd be paying 10-20X as much for a vehicle with inferior driving characteristics (I don't mean acceleration, I mean the suspension setup in budget EVs, I have well-designed multi-link front and rear, adaptive dampers and it's all on air springs) and less space. I'd gain a fancy touch screen, but that actively repels me.

Now I did test drive an Audi E-Tron as those are available for cheap (for a big EV SUV), but I was very disappointed with the comfort in that. Literally not comparable to my 20 year old A6 Allroad, which isn't even most comfortable car I've owned. But as EVs have undergone rapid development in the last 5 or 6 years, I think that there's finally stuff available that I'd actually like to own. In 5 more years when they're depreciated to hell and the powertrain and battery warranty starts running out.

[-] Mniot@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

Cars in general are the problem and even if they all went electric they'd be bad. (But cities would be much quieter and they are hella fun to drive.)

If you're able to use a bicycle for some of your trips instead of a car, that's a good change. (And if you're not then you might not even be able to use an EV car if you could afford it. It takes way longer to charge a battery than to fill a gas tank.)

[-] PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

But cities would be much quieter

No they wouldn't. Most ICE cars make a "whoosh" sound, because most of their noise comes from air resistance - which EVs also have. And tires, of course.

Cities wouldn't stink as much, though.

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

We got ours for 30k with 200 miles on it, retails 45k.

Dealerships hate buying these cars used because they think there isn't a market for used ev's, in part because they're so expensive, anyone who wants an ev can afford to buy one new, they think the second hand market isn't there, go in and offer to buy a used one and see what your dealer says, I bet you can get one for half that.

Also there's some electric only second hand dealerships starting to pop up. Maybe one in your area?

[-] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't know anything about the situation in the US, but you get great second hand EVs for around 12.000€ here in Germany. Combustion is cheaper to buy but gets more expensive over time. It has over 250 moving parts, EVs have like 7.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

problem with second hand ev is that if the battery has to be replaced, might as well just buy new car entirely

[-] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nearly all cars I tried had SOH over 90%. The car I bought is from 2021 and has 94,9% battery health. Buy a 25€ OBD2-dongle and read it when you test-drive it. If the owner cared just a little, battery health is not a problem. Don't let fossil disinformation scare you.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 18 hours ago

what do you mean cared a little? what affects the battery most? I live in finland and at winters it can get -30c here and only place for car i have is outside. I also worry that i myself might wear the battery down really fast due to not being able to store the car properly. I also need to occasionally do long trips and when i visit my mother, i think the closest charging spot is at least 10km away so i might get stuck easily too if i run out of battery.

I really REALLY would prefer ev, i hate having to pay stupid prices for gas, taxes and even maintenance since combustion engine wears down much faster and worse. But the reality for me is that there just isnt enough infrastructure for ev in north finland for me to use ev without having to worry more than with my current car. I guess rich people dont have any problems no matter where they are, considering how many teslas i have seen, but i'm not one of those. + i just switched my car so my funds for it are expended for forseeable future unless i get work, which in finland seems about as easy to do than winning in lottery if you are not right type of person.

[-] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 1 points 18 hours ago

Here's a study about battery health. Bottom line is, charging from 0% to 100% gives you 500 life cycles until it's at 70% health. Charging from 20% to 70% gives you 6.000 life cycles. That's is a huge difference and you should keep that in mind.

I don't know how low temperatures affect battery health. But ask around, aren't EVs super popular in Finland?

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 17 hours ago

at least cold weather drains battery, not sure how it affects the health in general but i dont think it does it any good. The people who have ev are most likely those who can also afford heated and closed space for their car. At least i have seen many teslas all around so it would make sense if there are even more evs because tesla is only car i can definitely tell is ev.

I wish evs had somekind of "emergency" battery that would charge the main battery if it gets too low so it would protect it from getting too empty.

[-] Darcranium@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Get one used... The batteries are good enough now that even used, they are a good investment

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