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Some reich-winger's tweet quoted in the article:
In Buffalo, a 75 year old man who was trying to turn in lost property during a protest; the police shoved him to the ground so hard that he was bleeding from his head, but they just stepped over his body. Breonna Taylor was sleeping when cops raided the wrong apartment. Charles Kinsey was shot lying facedown in the street with his hands in the air while trying to protect his autistic patient.
They're fine with all the other "poor outcome" police shootings in this country, they only get upset and fearful when one of "their own" is shot.
I get what you are trying to say, but she wasn’t sleeping at the time of the shooting. No need to rely on misinformation to here. The truth is damning enough for police.
Edit: In case y’all need proof.
Courier Journal: Louisville Local Newspaper, Left Leaning
getting your door kicked in by a gang of cops about to shoot you to death tends to wake a person up
what misinformation?
Here is the wiki on it. If your husband had a full conversation with his mother about noises coming from below and then calls 911 and then gets his gun, could you still be asleep at that point? She was, however, still in bed and the no knock shouldn't have been allowed.
do you have proof she wasn’t?
I don't know what you and that other guy are arguing about. I just laid out that it was noisy and her husband made two calls and got a gun. Whether or not she was still asleep could only be confirmed by the two people in the room. One is dead and one has legal and legitimate reasons why he might exaggerate a claim like that. Either way, it shouldn't matter on the argument that no knock raids should be banned.
Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper
Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed
Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.
Commonwealth's Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.
Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor's former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”
Then, Walker, saying he was "scared to death," grabbed his legally owned handgun.
I never claimed this
also, you link doesn’t prove this:
and it doesn’t prove she was awake at the time, ether. people doze off while watching movies.
I provided a good source that directly refutes your claim, with a statement from the witness at the scene. You clearly don't care about the truth, and just want to "win."
I didn’t see any statements supporting any of your claims or refuting mine
Bullshit. You are arguing in bad faith and you 100% know it.
just because you can’t prove your claims, you start hurling personal insults?
that’s on you, not me
It's not a "personal insult," it's my direct observation of what you are actively doing based on my perspective.
no, it’s just an personal attack because you can’t back up your claim
I made the claim you are arguing in bad faith because from my perspective that is exactly what you are doing.
I state your original claim is untrue, then you tell me your statement should be interpreted as she was asleep before police woke her up. Then I present solid evidence that she was watching a movie. Then you move the goalpost and claim my evidence isn't explicit enough for you. You also present no counter evidence. I then call you out on arguing in bad faith.
How else am I supposed to interpret what you are doing? From my perspective it seems obvious you are just trying to win an argument rather than get to the truth of the matter.
From my perspective, I am the person saying "We found these facts. care to respond?" and you are the person replying "Everything in the media is FAKE NEWS!"
you’re making personal attacks because you can’t prove your claim that:
and that’s your problem, not mine. making up lies about what I’ve said is just taking things worse.
What are you even saying? The text thread is all there. There are no "lies" to be found in my comments. This is clearly an actual ad hominem attack.
~~“Breonna Taylor Was Asleep.” Yes, she was asleep the night/morning of the shooting. No, she was not asleep when she was shot.~~
She was gravely wronged, and what happened is entirely inexcusable. However, statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation do not help the cause.
Edit: It seems my memory was faulty, per Walker's statement, they were watching a movie in bed when police came to the door.
Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper
like he said:
Like I said:
where did I do this?
Well, for one thing it turns out Breonna Taylor wasn't even asleep.
Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper
getting your door kicked in by a gang of cops tends to wake you up
I don't understand the value of this comment and it seems like it's being pedantic and splitting hairs for an unimportant reason. Whether or not she was sleeping when the bullet entered her is ignoring the main point. If you want to call it misinformation then that's really stretching the term for misinformation.
So the reason I care is that every half-truth is a chink in the armor of the overall cause. Social and racial justice are incredibly important causes. When people make bold statements that aren't entirely factual, the opposition points to them in order to discredit the cause as a whole. I want to persuade the persuadable by being factually correct whenever possible.
I do understand your overall point though.
Look, I tend to believe that "common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen.”[1] People perceive the world differently from one another, and have different lived experiences. This is especially true for neurodivergent people when compared to people we might think of as neurotypical.
"Breonna Taylor Was Asleep" is a factually inaccurate statement. The specifics may be a non-issue for you, but they might be a major holdup for someone who thinks differently.
If you are one of the people downvoting this comment - you really need to reexamine your way of thinking.
The dude is just trying to correct the factual record. If you look at that, and those facts are unfriendly to your collection of how you like to feel about the situation and so you downvote him/her or start a protracted argument with him/her about it -- that means biases are more important to you than factual accuracy.
I think, like any sensible person, that what happened to Breonna Taylor was a heinous crime and the cops involved should be punished. But, I also think the facts of the situation are important. She wasn't shot while she was sleeping.
Again, if you're downvoting, it means supporting your own biases is more important to you than the facts, and that's dangerous. That is exactly what the MAGA crowd does and part of what makes them so dangerous and so difficult to communicate with. So please don't do the same from "the other side."
I appreciate the take. It's not a great feeling to have "the side" you feel like you are on rail at you for trying to set the record straight.
It feels weird to say this, but I wonder if the "Tankies" from certain instances color Lemmy as a whole. If so, that makes me worried for the future of Lemmy. I really don't want this to be the Far Left version of The_Donald or Truth Social.
Yeah, I don't think any political viewpoint is free from people who just like their prejudices and attack anything that doesn't match their prejudices. I wish it was different on the left, but sadly not.
FWIW, I've had a lengthy argument and said some plenty unpopular things in a tankie forum on Lemmy and didn't get banned, so we're still quite a ways away from the conservative ethos. I feel like as long as there's freedom of speech about it, the problem is self-correcting in the long run. Maybe.
(I literally had someone on /r/walkaway tell me that I could say whatever I wanted, that they believe in free speech absolutism and exchange of ideas etc etc, and then when I went to reply to them, I couldn't because I was banned. 😃)
Yeah, I've noticed lack of reading downvoting seems like even more of a problem on Lemmy than on Reddit. Its really bizarre the votes on this thread are completely contradictory for example.