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Speaking as a punk, it's about keeping a community a healthy, welcoming place for the 99% of people who aren't assholes. There's a reason why we say 'Nazi punks fuck off.' It's not just a slogan or part of a song, it's a declaration that this house will not be used as a gathering place for people who want to tear it down.
"Agree with me or leave."
No. All Nazis should be shot.
You people like crying "nazi!" every time someone disagrees with you on a political issue so you can silence them.
The statement you replied to was specifically about Nazi punks a well documented issue? Are you fucking illiterate?
The problem is that people like you will lie about who is a nazi in order to silence them. This, in turn, devolves into a culture of "agree with me or leave."
Lol, irony.
Who is people like me? Non whites? Who have I called a nazi? You replied to a post about nazi punks (a hyper well documented phenomenon) and how punks have to make it clear they are not welcome much like bars to avoid becoming nazi bars. What is your point? Nazis should be welcome? Because your spiel about mislabeling isn't relevant.
Except it is. If people didn't regularly do what I'm accusing them of, then you'd have a point.
So what's your solution? Just accept all the Nazis for fear of it really being a mistake? That's how you get a nazi bar.
Solution to what? I said his stance amounts to agree with him or leave and explained why.
A better question would be, what's your problem?
You are taking all this time to run defense about how it's actually bad to force Nazis out of spaces like the punk scene because some of them might just be mislabeled. I assumed if you were going to talk shit you'd at least have a solution? If it's bad to force Nazis out of spaces then should they be allowed in all spaces or did you perhaps receive a divine revelation about how it's actually possible to beat them in the marketplace of ideas or some such nonsense?
I made a 1-line comment and you people came out of the woodwork trying to make a defense.
I'm not saying it's bad to force nazis out of spaces. My point is: Saying “nazis aren’t welcome” is akin to “agree with me or leave” in an environment where people call their opposition nazis just to have them censored. This is that environment.
It's fine if you misunderstood what I said or why I said it. Hopefully I was able to clear things up.
It was just a fairly tone deaf reply given the topic. It comes off very much like the standard nazi defense when they get called out on dog whistles. Maybe that wasn't your intention but I'm sure if you read them again you can see how it gives that impression.
Essentially what it read like, thank you for finding the proper words
Eh-hem.
NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF.
Who's you people ?
'You people' is typically defined by the attached action. 'You people' are the people who actually do that thing, whatever it is.
If you don't do it, 'you people' is not you.
If you do do it, 'you people' is you.
The point is not about 'who', it's an oppositional statement about the 'what', the action, and implies it's bad, or more importantly that the speaker doesn't approve.
Like: 'You people, always with the child raping.'
If you don't rape children, 'you people' isn't you.
But also, the speaker is implying that child raping is bad, or something they don't approve of, and something they don't do.
I see. It makes more sense this way, cheers
The way it read initially was that anyone using the word nazi did so as a silencing manoeuvre. "You people" sounds derogatory to me, I don't like it. It lumps people together and waves away individuality.
You mean like hand-waving someone's opinion away by calling them a Nazi?
No..... cf "paradox of tolerance"
What about it? People disagreeing with you doesn't mean they aren't tolerating you. They would need to ban/censor you in order for that to happen.
That's not what OP was on about. They were talking about nazism. That's not a differing opinion, a valid stance, or something to even remotely consider. Nazis aren't "people disagreeing with you"
You would have a point if people didn't call their opponents nazis on these forums just to get them censored.
Not sure what you said, your last word was censored. In any case, you're off-topic. Read from the top.
No, I'm right on topic.
Saying "nazis aren't welcome" is akin to "agree with me or leave" in an environment where people call their opposition nazis just to have them censored.
This is that environment.
It's funny watching this argument.
I'm from a very hippy community.
I'm a collectivist.
I'm extremely far left & progressive.
I'm wholly anti-fascist.
I'm also 100% in agreement with you regarding including differing opinions regardless of how extreme.
Inclusivity only brodens the divide and limits opportunities for people who harbor extremist views to be influenced toward developing more balanced, functional, and beneficial perspectives.
Moderation can be used to soften their influences in our commuty while including them allows our community to influence them.
Anecdotal story and all but I feel this encapsulates why most people support kicking Nazis out even if they seem polite to start.