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Do you really think allowing a president to execute their opposition will lead to anything good though?
No. But how about executing someone who weaponized a pandemic? Yes.
oh good, satansmaggottycumfart is here to derail the entire thread with his bullshit. I thought for a second that lemmy might actually have a political thread, but now its shut down.
People are capable of understanding context. Not that you're totally wrong, but Biden trying and executing Trump for treasonous crimes isn't the same as Putin torturing and poisoning Navalny in a Siberian prison camp.
How much stuff have the republicans already blamed democrats for?
Do you think that the MAGA base wouldn’t execute Biden for his ‘crimes’ in Ukraine?
A lot. But they can literally never back up any of their claims.
Desire to? Yeah, I'd assume so. They tried to overthrow the government and murder Democratic leadership once already. Be capable of? No.
My prediction is that in much the same way Italy and Germany unified after the deaths of their respective far right leaders, America would eventually move on and become more unified as well. Maga is a cult of personality with Trump as the sole proprietor. When he goes, there'd likely be a power vacuum too big to fill and the cult fractures into multiple small factions that eventually lose popularity. Mayyybe one or two starts to gain traction, but they're much easier to deal with than the inertia Maga has right now.
Seems like a pretty big bet to base on feelings.
You're not wrong, but we don't have the luxury of only making decisions based on rationality. Sometimes you need to trust your intuition and fix the repercussions of those decisions with more rationally sound decisions when/if they backfire.
Personally, I'd rather have dealt with the blowback of Donald Trump's corpse rotting in a shallow grave than having to deal with where we're at currently.
The guy led an insurrection against our own government. The evidence was overwhelming. We’ve executed people in this country for much, much less.
Over half the country didn’t think it was a big deal.
I'm not sure why people still think the guy who, a day before he was sworn in, said "He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers, those vote-counting computers, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So, it was pretty good, it was pretty good. So, thank you to Elon" legitimately won in a free and fair election.
Prove it in court and I’ll believe he stole the election.
When has proving in a courtroom that Trump did something unlawful ever actually mattered?
Because if it happened there is proof and I’d like to see it.
Why the fuck are you all over this thread running defense for child rapist/murder/eater donald trump?
It’s a sad state of affairs when people think that demanding proof of allegations before acting on them is running defense for people.
It’s literally the bedrock of our justice system.
Do you think Obama could have said that quote from Trump above and still been sworn in the next day?
Obama would never say that quote.
considering trump has threatened to jail his oponenets, do you still think doing nothing was a good idea?
Sometimes it just feels like I’m bashing my head against a brick wall here.
"We tried nothing and were all out of ideas" is how it comes across.
Fuck this lousy Smarch weather.
And your statement comes across like you’re okay with the ruling party executing their opposition.
I'm not the one who called to execute. But I did call for biden to arrest him and throw the key away.
But the rest of the world saw y'all do nothing, and now how many people lost their lives in war. How many trans people have killed them selves since election day because of his party's anti trans bullshit.
There is a real cost to the nothing that was done. And were all paying it. The rest of the world is sick of it.
Yeah but Kamala Harris was forced upon the Democrats as the party leader. She wasn't elected democratically to lead the party. That's even worse. /s
If he was arrested and put in jail and Americans voted him back in as they did he’d be free anyways.
And your right back to "we tried nothing and were all out of ideas"
Edit: or release the epstine files
We investigated him and it all went to hell when the majority of the country decided to vote him back into office.
This is a more complicated situation then you’re making out to be.
If you jailed him 2021/2022 how would he have even ran from jail?
It’s not illegal to run for president from jail.
Makes it hard to do his rallys and speeches though right?
I’m not sure if that would deter his base they didn’t care that he masterminded Jan 6 even though it was on live tv.
It took more than his base to elect him.
Otherwise how did he loose 2020?
He lost 2020 because people got up and voted Biden.
He won 2024 because people didn’t vote Harris just like he won 2016 because people didn’t vote Clinton.
And you don't think trump being behind bars at the time would do nothing to those voters?
Look, I'd love to live in your fantasy world where its enough to say "its hard uwu" and do nothing.
But biden failed to protect my trans brothers and sisters by making sure him, and everyone one around him, never saw freedom again. But he didn't and no were here.
Here's the thing. The rest of the world no longer fucking cares. Canadians here are stronger than our government on fuck the US.
Your not voting your way out of this. Because even if you do somehow in November, the rest of the world no longer cares to trust y'all again. One way or another, allowing him to even be a candidate was mistake. And until it all burns and is replaced, y'all will never be trusted again.
You can get as mad as you want but I stand by my point that allowing the ruling party to execute or jail their opposition is a very bad idea.
And all I'm saying is standing by that is standing by all the death and destruction that follows. You can deny that all you want. But its never going to go back to stays quo.
So what do you think the solution is if you don’t think we can vote our way out of this?
Don't y'all have the second amendment for this exact purpose?
Congratulations. You got a dictator again. The last king y'all saw you burned the system down and started fresh.
Why not that?
You want a couple people with small arms to go against the US military?
A hunting rifle against a F-35?
Sounds realistic.
"We've tried nothing and were all out of ideas" again.
I’ve seen the US military against Iran and Venezuela and I know I don’t have that kind of firepower.
It’d be suicide to attempt your ideas.
Why is it a Canadians job how to come up with ways to get yourselves out?
Especially when you have resigned yourselves to fascism.
Like I said, I don't care if y'all nuke yourselves for all I care at this point. But no one is coming to save you.