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lol so you join the place with the social credit score
Oooh the irony!
What is that?
piefed.social keeps a hidden trust score that goes down when people do stuff the piefed dev personally doesn't like. there was recently a bunch of drama about it
Jesus fuck.
It's literally just a number admins can use to sus out if a user might potentially be a toll. It's basically reddit karma but hidden from everyone but admins.
.ml users tried to make it a big deal because people were leaving lemmy for PieFed.
Reddit Karma is not good, I don't want a Karma system on the Fediverse. That was one of the worst things about Reddit. Karma is essentially ass-kissing points, you get them for kissing ass, and you loose them for making people butt-hurt.
I can't support that, it creates nasty psychological patterns that make people prone to siding with popularity and not with what's right.
You dont have a karma system on the fediverse, only admins can see it.
Individuals dont know what their score is, there is no benefit to them trying to farm it because they cant see or use it. There is no psychological pattern formed because its an admin only tool.
This is the most overblown criticism of piefed around.
It's a score that is controlled by other people, which causes restrictions if it gets too low.
It's moderation by popularity. I can't and won't support that.
It causes zero restrictions if it gets too low, all that happens is admins see a red ! next to a username.
Why do you tankies always lie
Every account has a Social Credit Score, you concede that.
If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do.
If your Social Credit Score is at -10 you cannot downvote, you can’t create new DMs and It flags your account automatically like this:
PieFed uses a hard coded list to rank an instances' defederation list for its quality. If an instance doesn't defederate from what Rimu decided the instances stated quality goes down. Ironically none of the paedo instances are on Rimu's list.
I think piefed's biggest proponents lie about this because it is one of the more unappealing aspects of piefed, and there isn't really a way to sugarcoat it. Social credit score based on the votes of others is just a shitty way of running a social platform.
Humans as social creatures already have innate fear of social rejection, and Karma/Social Credit systems on platforms that punish rejection just feed that dark pattern even more aggressively. It's really not something I would elect to use after going through Reddit's version of Karma. Especially because Piefed's is ever more conditional (they can blacklist communities from counting towards your score positively but you still lose score points from those communities).
For full clarity, it was the "tankies" reporting on PieFed's social credit score system, Deceptichum is attacking the "tankie" position. The comment you linked is from a "tankie." In fact, it was because the communists started talking about PieFed's social engineering that this drama even kicked off.
I think they know that, they are using their pro-DPRK account.
tankies are not a monolith there are lemmy tankies but not all look at how successful lemmy.world is after all piefed is tankie software because of the Social Credit Score and there are more piefed tankie shills
PieFed is mainly developed by someone that hates communists to the point of regurgitating far-right conspiracy theories baked in racism. There aren't really any communist shills for PieFed that I've seen. Communists aren't a monolith, but PieFed has its social credit score system because it's run by right-wingers.
Amazing, I never thought I would see the day Deceptichum was called a tankie, lmao.
The comment you linked to is written by a "tankie", by the way.
just going to copy this since you and cowbee are the same
Why do I keep running into people calling others “tankies” who are very explicitly anti-“tankie?”
Then make it a clear, public figure. Make it transparent.
Why? It’s an admin tool.
Users overall don't want karma farming accounts.
Because this is Lemmy, the whole point for me at least being decentralized, democratized; making non-privacy based knowledge exclusive to the effective elites goes against that principle to me. Perhaps that's not why you're here, but it does matter to me. It's the same reason I think the Modlog is a vital part of the Lemmy appeal; more transparency with users as community members, not just customers.
There is nothing “democratised” about Lemmy. No where in the software does it support that any more Reddit does. It still relies on admins and mods making decisions.
The only thing on offer is decentralised content aggregation.
And why would you want karma farming accounts? They were the worst part of the reddit experience.
I did not argue for karma, I argued that if karma exists, it should be public. I am at least equally happy with such score not existing for Piefed admins either.
Technically, it's an astrospam measure.
No they use something else for that, ie limit what new accounts can do.
The credit score is just doing things the dev doesn't like/shouldn't be done
https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/
There’s nothing in that post about ❝credit scores.❞ Karma is what threadiverse uses to evaluate posts, comments, communties, and accounts.
There is attitude and reputation
Yeah, did you not read why? How else do you want piefed to mitigate onetime spam accounts to sibyl downvote comments?
Do you read because that's unrelated to their spam protections.
The scores are for activities the dev doesn't like not for spam blocking.
Again: how would you mitigate against mass onetime accounts meant to downvote specific comments fascists have been using to silence others?
Because piefed believes monitoring the “attitude” of an account and “repudiating” it are the temporary measures for this behavior.
Lemmy just let's occur, wilfully aware it persists.
By not making a system that helps continue that exact behavior with a system that pushes people for being downvoted that exact way or don't interact with posts how the dev wants.
The functionality is exact opposite of what you want. It's empowering mass downvoting to silence others because that's how the system is designed.
Again it's not that's the guiding principle listed for how they want to have spaces and users behave.
And was your link to lemmy issues supposed to show something other than recent issues unrelated to the behavior?
It most certainly is.
So links to same page saying it's features made to do social media credit scores and then piefed issues?
What are you trying to say with that?
Can I buy a house with these?
So are just randomly replying
I’m trying to see if I can try a different framing for your backfire effect for you to criticallly read this without your biases.
Can you rebase your thinking?
Bias on how piefed is set up by their own sign up page?
I'm only replying at this point for others as you don't seem to read
Who are these “others”?
Anyone who can make it this deep in the thread. Or do you think this is a private conversation on a public forum?
Why would anyone want read your denial about astrospam mitigations you refuse to provide alternatives for?
Piefed is a tool anyone can use. If you feel mass downvoting with an account is something like social “credit” that piefeed nomenclatures as “attitude,” then I have no idea how users will use that credit, and what for. “Repudiation” is something all threadiverse software mitigates one way or another.
And I am being extremely generous, as it seems you don't know anything about computer sciences.
There is attitude and reputation