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Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] Tywele@piefed.social 31 points 5 days ago

This solidifies my decision for migrating my account from there to piefed.social. Not because I support those views but because this means that many of the communities I’m subscribed to won’t be visible anymore from there. Personally I’ve not seen the problem in the mentioned communities but I also don’t actively participate in deep political discussions especially regarding Israel/Palestine since I don’t have the energy for that.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 26 points 5 days ago

This solidifies my decision for migrating my account from there to piefed.social

but I also don’t actively participate in deep political discussions especially regarding Israel/Palestine

Showing your true colours here. By the way, it's not "political discussions regarding Israel/Palestine", call it by its name: genocide of Palestinians by Israel.

[-] Tywele@piefed.social 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yes the genocide of Palestinians is bad but I have only so much energy to care deeply about things in the world. I can't change anything about what is happening there, it's not in my power to do so.

Edit: And comments like yours are the reason why I usually abstain from participating in "political discussions". It's exhausting.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago

I don't think you have bad intent here, but I think Riverside didn't like the implication that "deep political discussions" are necessary to understand that "Israel/Palestine" is in fact "the colonial genocide of Palestinians by Israel". I think that's fair. It's OK to not want to discuss politics online, but you don't need "deep discussions" to know that colonialism is always wrong.

[-] Tywele@piefed.social 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

And it is also not what I said or meant. Assumptions are dangerous. And people also have to keep in mind that not everyone speaks perfect English. Sometimes things get lost in translation or it can be difficult for someone to articulate themselves in a non-native language (like me).

[-] nat1@ttrpg.network 8 points 5 days ago

The point is to exhaust you down to the point you don't fight back.

[-] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

I can’t change anything about what is happening there, it’s not in my power to do so.

Are you boycotting Israeli goods, media, and anything else that could give money to the Zionist entity? That's the bare minimum any person of conscience should do.

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[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 5 days ago

You know you can just have multiple accounts on multiple instances, right? That gets you just about as full a view on the Fediverse as you might want. Heck, the only reason I'm not doing it is because I'm lazy.

Also, whining about db0 then moving to the instance that literally implements CCP politics and shadow profiling and comes from a dev known to have had a chip against heteronormativity and weirdness (if not against neurodivergence) is... not the win you think it is.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Yup that's the way to go. Actually my first client I used for Lemmy (Liftoff) made multiple accounts really easy since you could switch feeds and accounts in one click and quickly. But even if you just use multiple accounts on the web switching between tabs or using Tesseract isn't that difficult.

[-] Tywele@piefed.social 7 points 5 days ago

I know but I hate account jumping. I prefer to have everything in one place.

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 5 days ago

Oh that's absolutely understandable. The more with how bloated interfaces tend to be these days.

Just mind, you have to consider what does it mean for your instance to be open enough to serve you everything in one account.

[-] Tywele@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago

Also, whining about db0 then moving to the instance that literally implements CCP politics and shadow profiling and comes from a dev known to have had a chip against heteronormativity and weirdness (if not against neurodivergence) is... not the win you think it is.

Can you provide some sources for that?

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 5 days ago

It's been on the public fediverse eye enough that I don't need to do your homework for you, but just look for mentions to piefed in this same sub. One of the exemplary things that was found was that you can't eg.: "upload a picture that contains the word 'anonymous'" and that Piefed lies to you about why.

[-] Tywele@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago

Okay great, you assume that everyone reads everything. I was just asking for examples because I haven't seen any and figured you must have seen some and can link them.

[-] Blaze@piefed.zip 2 points 4 days ago

Counterpoints:

regarding "CCP politics and shadow profiling", it's referring to a few content filters that Piefed can do, but they are disabled by default and are all configurable: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by#post_replies
regarding "a chip against heteronormativity and weirdness", https://piefed.blahaj.zone/ is using Piefed, which they probably wouldn't do it the dev was a bigot. Also, pronouns are built-in the platform.

If you want to know a bit more about Rimu, the main Piefed dev, he made an interview a couple of months ago: https://tubefree.org/w/jLPZXv1Jynv7LRcuoteARf

He's usually quite nice and helpful. That's not always the case with people who try to spread disinformation about Piefed.