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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I get it's upsetting but there are just objectively way more republicans than there are leftists in the US. So there is logic here.

Also, vote switchers count for double. So there would actually need to be twice as many possible voters on the left for it to be as appealing as the right.

As always the proper solution is to alter the conditions that incentivize this behavior.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 60 points 2 weeks ago

Yet time and time again, polling shows that Americans prefer leftist policies when presented with them independently of party affiliation. As well as younger generations trending further left.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

Right, but they aren't presented them independently of party affiliation. They're told "those scary communists have good policies but they want to destroy America!" And most people believe that.

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

So, wait, if the policies are popular, but the party affiliation isn't, how the fuck is the go-to strategy to keep the party but give up on the policies instead of the other way around?

[-] prole 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Because team sports. And propaganda

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Right, but they aren’t presented them independently of party affiliation.

The last candidate who ran on leftist policies was Biden. He won. Of course, he was lying his wrinkly ass off when he did, but he won running on leftist policies.

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

time and time again, polling shows that Americans prefer leftist policies when presented with them independently of party affiliation

So where are all the leftist voters then?

[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

Right on the table where democrats keep leaving them.

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I said voters, if those people aren't voting, then they aren't leftist voters.

[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think you might be working with a different definition of 'left'

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Leftist people voting for the best of limited options are still leftist voters.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Are they though? How about this, can you still call yourself anti-genocide if you vote for the candidate who puts forth a slower, more well marketted genocide where the same bullets in children and attacks still happen, just with a lot of stern faces and some hand wringing?

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

can you still call yourself anti-genocide if you vote for the candidate who puts forth a slower, more well marketted genocide

I mean, yes, objectively? Mathematically, only a Democrat or a Republican can win the United States general election. If you can use your influence to vote for Less Genocide instead of More Genocide, that is what electoral anti-genocide is. You don't have to like it, but those are the options.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

abbotsbury, thats not how it works. Lets see if we can model this another way.
By your accounting if a Democratic party candidate said if elected they'd rape 1 kid and the republican said theyd rape 2 kids, you'd count your support of the single-kid rapist as not supporting any kid-rape at all. You'd claim your hands are clean--pristine even. -- because you "minimized harm". And yet a kid would lie raped there with your explicit support having helped it to happen.

By my accounting they are both kid rapists. End of story. Thats both my accounting and enough of the massive democratic party progressives wing that "centrists" who think like you do will never win another election again. Being slightly less evil is not enough to win elections, and its not the same thing as being worthy of coexisting peacefully and leading in our society. Does you understand this? Some things like kid rape and genocide are not to be tolerated at all, whether its part of harm minimization or not.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

You don’t have to like it

Say people who do like it.

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Irrelevant, still the anti-genocide vote.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Irrelevant

If only it was. She might have won if her genocide support was actually irrelevant. Progressives, even those of us who held our nose and voted for genocide(D) over genocide(R), warned you that this was a losing issue.

Genocide supporters didn't care. They got the only thing they wanted regardless of who won. To you, it's irrelevant.

[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

So are people who agree with leftist policies but not with right-wing liberal democrats.

[-] prole 2 points 2 weeks ago

Careful now, purity tests abound.

[-] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Only just after the election and before the election, during election only the right wingers get elected.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

Winning a lot of elections that way?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

A progressive just won in Fort Worth. In a special election. You know, those things that usually only draw fox-addled octogenarians to the polls.

The "progressives can't win so we have to make sure to hamstring them all the time" shit is just another centrist lie.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah Mamdani just won and is a perfect example of a partial solution to what I'm talking about. But since you didn't ask about my solutions that probably won't make sense. I'm happy to explain if you actually want to discuss.

But don't let me rain on your hate parade.

[-] prole 2 points 2 weeks ago

NYC isn't the federal government.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I get it’s upsetting but there are just objectively way more republicans than there are leftists in the US.

I get that you don't want to hear this because it gets in the way of moving to the right, but republicans won't vote for republican lite when they have full fat fascist.

All you're doing is capitulating for no reason. Well, except that you want to.

[-] Zephorah@discuss.online 3 points 2 weeks ago

There are not more republicans. What there are are checked out non voters and a “left” that had so much splintered infighting no one really knows what the left is.

There is also a swath of single issue voters who vote on guns. They actually would flip in a heartbeat with a liberal gun owner platform. It’s not a new phenomenon.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You're just arguing semantics. If people consistently vote republican then they are republicans right now. That they might switch for the right candidate isn't really relevant.

But yeah gun stuff is an example of a position someone could use to appeal to fence sitters. It will absolutely piss off a portion of the Democratic base though.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

No matter how many positions you abandon or how many minorities you betray, republicans will vote for republicans.

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