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ya, but did she really flip burgers...?
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Yeah but she loved the genoside, that’s why we have to have utter incompetent apocalypse every goddamned day for three more years.
and also still have the same genocide happening, plus even more acts of war to boot
I'd argue a worse genocide.
Dems were stuck on "but but Israel is an ally" and tried to gently suggest that they stop. But Biden did take some action. The US even built a port to send in aid. Now obviously we had the power to stop sending Israel money and supporting them. That's where they failed.
Trump however just said good work and keep it up. He's encouraged Israel to go faster and joked about how great the strip will be once it's freely developed real estate.
So yeah, one of these is clearly a worse option
Here's another hypothetical for you. Two people are given $100 to split, one person makes the offer on how to split it, and the other chooses to accept or decline. If they decline, nobody gets anything.
Rationally, the way this plays out is that the first person offers a $99-$1 split, and the other person accepts, because $1>$0. But when researchers have actually run this experiment, they've found that people tend to reject offers below $30-$40, and people tend to make offers accounting for that. Somehow, the "irrational" behavior results in a more optimal outcome.
Once upon a time, in the New Deal era, Democrats offered something closer to $30-$40. But somewhere along the line, people started employing this "lesser evil" nonsense, and the offers got worse and worse. Now, we're past the point where they even offer us $1. Now they offer us "We'll still commit genocide, but slightly less."
I'm completely baffled by how anyone can still be committed to this clearly failed and irrational strategy of "lesser evilism." Even if you personally think it's the right move, surely you must at least understand that this isn't how other people are going to behave.
If what you're seeing doesn't make sense, maybe the problem is in your interpretation?
It sounds like you see R promising "bad thing" and D promising "less-bad thing, but we will move right next time" and so you want to just give up because both options are bad.
But I think this involves viewing the parties as monolithic entities that you have no control over (as seen in "the Democratic Part Elite kept out Bernie") when they're actually just composed of people. An important factor is that the American people on average are much more conservative/authoritarian/pro-corporation than typical Europeans. Somewhat by history, somewhat by US-sourced indoctrination, somewhat by foreign-sourced indoctrination.
When I see real-life progressives, they're always taking the most-progressive available action of the moment. In the moment of a US presidential election in a swing state, that most-progressive action may be voting for the slightly-less-bad candidate. But voting for a candidate doesn't tie them to that candidate's policies and they can spend the majority of their time and effort focused on progress.
When I see online progressives(?), they're primarily concerned with giving up: tearing down other progressives' efforts because they're not progressive enough but not offering an alternative. The result of this, intended or not, is a populous who doesn't offer resistance to authoritarianism and probably welcomes it in the end.
There's nothing "progressive" about supporting genocide.
From the moment I reached the age of reason, I was outraged at the pointless wars of aggression being waged in the Middle East, wars that were supported by the vast majority of the Democratic party. Even when we got a supposedly "progressive" president, Obama, he doubled down on the killing and bloodshed. For twenty years I have been told this lesser evilist nonsense, as the bodies piled higher and higher. Then, almost as soon as the bipartisan forever wars came to a close, they merely shifted focus to killing other Middle Easterners in Palestine through the proxy of Israel, at an even greater intensity than before. Twenty years of patiently waiting, twenty years of no progress being made whatsoever, twenty years of killing for no benefit to anyone but arms manufactures and oil companies, twenty years of Americans never getting a real chance to vote on whether it should continue because both parties supported it, and you have the audacity to call yourself a progressive, and to attack me as not a real progressive, when you're the one that's perfectly fine with that?
And the wholesale destruction of USAID and PEPFAR means people are simultaneously starving to death in chunks of the world, not getting vaccines, and also not getting HIV prevention meds, which means long term, HIV infection is going to increase worldwide over time. That is going to be a massive, silent genocide that will be orders of magnitude worse, but largely undocumented.
That was a serious, serious fuckup on voters parts. Not to mention massive cuts to everyday things like critical medical R&D, science R&D, disaster preparedness, NASA, department of education, PBS and Corp for public broadcasting, department of health, FDA + food safety programs, and many other programs that people take for granted without thinking (housing grants for home buying, federal student loans, food stamps, weather prediction for natural disasters, Medicare/ACA/Medicaid, etc)
His cuts to the IRS are going to result in less money for shit like bridges, roads, and electrical grids too.
Yes, he took the action of sending them even more weapons than what congress had appropriated.
They built a port and when Israel told them the exact same thing they told everyone else, that they wouldn't allow aid, they closed the port, accomplishing nothing in a way that was extremely predicable. It never had any purpose other than scoring political points. They got month of pretending it was going to do something out of it, and people like you are still citing it.
Thank goodness Trump stopped that, oh wait
Also you ever notice that people barely talk about the genocide anymore?
We know there's no way to change Trump's opinion on Palestine, and now we are fully focused on stopping him from starting new wars or sending ICE around the country to murder dissenters. Those that cared now have to focus on pressing domestic issues. If Kamala was president we'd still be focused on ending the genocide and there was at least a chance there would have been an end or progress, but now the current trajectory is the genocide will not be stopped and we'll probably not have elections again
There was no way of "changing Kamala's mind." If there was, it would have been through exerting pressure before the election. Once she knew that pro-Palestine people would fall in line even when she was 100% pro-Israel, she would have absolutely no reason to change positions, if anything, she'd be more likely to become more pro-Israel, because the pro-Israel voters would be more likely to be swing voters. This is why the ideology of "lesser-evilism" is fundamentally incorrect, and how it led to politics shifting further and further right to the point we're at now.
Please explain exactly what mechanism do you think could've been employed to change her mind. Protests? There were widespread campus protests during the election season, and she still didn't respond to them at all.
And why would she? The left has a proven track record of falling in line behind the lesser evil, no matter how much bluster there might be. Based on that assumption, the politically smart move (if all you care about is winning elections) is to completely ignore all of the left's demands and keep moving further and further right forever. Now, we have something to show that our words are not meaningless, hollow threats. If there is any possibility of stopping the rightward shift through electoralism, this is it.
Obviously we will. Not that it will matter, because the two party system is completely fucked and y'all refuse to do anything about it.
Damn you people are dense. It's not like the sitting president has been talking about canceling elections....oh wait
All you voting objectors did was lead to more dead minorities. The people Trump's new Reich is targeting. We have a fascist military in our streets killing people and all you can do is still whine about how Kamala was flawed.
Obviously, you can't be reasoned with, so I won't bother. Just know that I'm just as committed to my approach as ever.
When the next election happens (after you wipe the egg off your face) I suggest you take into account that people like me exist, and that we're not bluffing, and we're not going to "come to our senses," and you should factor that into your evaluation of which candidates are actually electable.
I'll take egg on my face over blood on my hands.
Here the a list of those you helped ice murder
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline
Trust me, we know you exist. You're largely responsible for Trump being in power.
Doesn't matter.
The people who voted 3rd party or didn't vote because they were mad about Israel only ever cared about their own personal feelings. If they actually gave a shit about Palestine, they would have made the decision that hurt them the least. That's not what they did.
It was all about their own satisfaction.
Sounds like these disgruntled non-voters hold the real key to American political power as they apparently hold sway over who wins and looses these general elections. Maybe the Dems should be more left-wing so that they can coax them back so we can win again.
What are you smoking! Trump forced ceasefires purely for optics reasons and trying to get a Nobel peace prize, but has demonstrated that the US president could have reigned in Israel at any time if they wanted. And even though the aid is still being restricted and Israel is still killing, despite the "ceasefire", it is still literally less than if the ceasefire didn't happen. Israel is literally the only issue that Trump comes out on top on. So quit using that as an example, since that is the only way Trump is better despite being terrible. It is the perfect example of Trump being a terrible fascist, but the Democrats made sure the bar was on the floor!
Purists couldn't vote for the lesser of two evils. The choice was: vote for
genocideor vote forgenocide+even more horrible shit. Somehowgenocide+even more horrible shitseemed more appealing.There was this whole argument that vote for
genocideor vote forgenocide+even more horrible shitwas going to turn people off from voting. We now know that definitely happened. Letting that choice run was a pretty guaranteed losing strategy. Anyone with knowledge of American electoral politics knows voter turnoff = Democratic Loss, Republican Victory.Kamala ran a horrible campaign. Blaming voters isnt the way
Oh god no. No no no no NO No, fuck that right off.
The voters ARE too blame.
I mean, yeah, I would agree with you if tRUMP had never been in office before AND was somewhat competent in his business dealings, or wasn't obviously in the pocket of putin.
However, that orange thing did a terrible job in his first term, just terrible. And anyone with even the slightest resemblance of intelligence could see he was only running again to stop the court cases, etc, and buy more time to keep him out of prison.
It really didn't/doesn't matter about her campaign when the person running against her is obviously:
Was wholly incompetent just a few years before.
Racist.
Said he was going to be a dictator from the first day.
Is a confirmed rapist. With loads of other assault cases behind him.
Best friend to Jeffery Epstein who they both said enjoyed "wonderful secrets" together...
Convicted criminal.
Numerous bankruptcies.
Numerous fines for dodgy shit (stealing from children's charities etc)
Russian money etc etc.
Quite obviously corrupt in just about every way. Etc etc etc etc etc.
These are the things off the top of my head, there's hundreds of other shit he's pulled.
So, YES, it was down to all the voters.
Yes, his voters are definitely to blame. But everyone who could vote but didn't, or protest voted have also enabled this shit to happen so they are to definitely, definitely to blame.
Any people who could have voted against him but didn't and are now trying to absolve themselves of any guilt then let me help you out. You won't, you can't. You are to blame.
The problem wasn't Kamala or Trump. That's something coming from decades ago. The real problem is a party system where one of the parties wants to go full throttle to the right and the other party just wants to go slower. That's a recipe for disaster. Imagine if the Dems had elected Sanders instead of Hillary on the primaries. Trump wouldn't had have a change in hell to be elected and the policies would have steered the country to the left.
He lost. He literally lost the popular vote for the primaries.
I respect the shit out of Sanders, but he isn't as popular as people on the internet like to think.
We can't keep saying "what if" regarding candidates that lost the popular vote during primaries. They were never starters.
Yes, completely agree that it has been coming for decades. The best time to fight it was decades ago. For this specific type of scum then the best time to fight it was in 2016.
But that didn't happen. What happened was the orange child rapist got in in 2016, and fucked things up.
Then was -very fucking slowly- convicted of numerous shit during bidens term. And was in the midst of the -also very late and slow- investigations for the stealing of top secret documents and treason stuff (plus other shit) when he said loads of stuff about being a dictator, and how he wouldn't need people votes again as things would be 'fixed' by them etc etc...AND people still decided to either vote for it, or not directly vote against it.
It's pretty simple. A vote that wasn't used specifically against this disgusting narcissistic tangerine toddler was a vote that enabled him to do what he is doing right now. If the non voters and protest voters had done the decent thing then almost none of this would've happened.
If the majority of people keep on voting for the most decent person then at some point things must get better.
It's the lesser evil strategy. And it doesn't work.
Doing nothing and then voting/enabling narcissistic, child raping, mushy brained, confirmed rapist dictators is far worse.
"Come to eat our tasteless food that stinks or you'll have to eat shit in the other restaurant" is not the best way to attract people to your cause. A lot of people stays at home if those are the options.
So carry on doing nothing then, how's that working out?
Please be satire
Little too real for ya eh?
Just bafflingly ignorant and lowkey evil
Cool. Thanks for letting me know you voted third party or not at all
Yeah I voted PSL instead of voting for fascism or fascism-lite
Congrats. There's blood on your hands
Oops, you've got it backwards- I'm dyslexic too, I get it. I didn't vote for a genocider actually
You voted for extra genocide and every extra child that is now dead is your fault. Well done!
At least you can sleep well at night sniffing your own farts while smugly pretending you're better than people who actually decided to try and do something to minimize genocide. Giving up isn't a virtue and your pathetic attempts at fake moral superiority are just as embarrassing and harmful as the people who are pretending Renee Good deserved to be shot. Fuck off Nazi enabler. You are weak trash who couldn't effectively participate in the easiest form of civic engagement because you don't have the mental capacity to see the world in anything other than black and white like evangelicals and Maga cultists do.
Get blocked you milquetoast coward.
Instead we resumed the sale of 2000 pound bombs to Israel and found some new countries to bomb. That and the population of Gaza is still dying just after the election the bots seemed to stop caring.
If he doesn't erode the government intuitions critical to elections
Oh, my sweet summer child