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To be fair, tanks seem to be a favored tool of these oppressive regimes. I'm personally not against communism, they have some good ideas like universal child care, guaranteed jobs, and housing (even though the latter may be considered sub-par by some). The problem comes when these fucking authoritarian cheerleaders come out and say communist governments were never oppressive.
The "oppression" you're referring to is confiscating the properties of bourgeois capitalists and landlords, and imprisoning them and their accomplices in case of resistance. This confiscation and appropriation by the state is what makes free, universal care and other social benefits possible. It's absurd to expect the features of communism without the policies behind them.
Also, the idea that authoritarian socialist governments just have a sadistic tendency to oppress and torture poor peasants is deeply unserious and a work of imagination created by western capitalist propaganda.
Citations in an uncensored medium needed.
This seems like an instantiation of neocolonialism adlibs. Is your name Trump, Netanyahu, or Putin by any chance? The fact that you imply that these are in any way a requirement for universal care or social benefits gives your game away.
Someone needs to tell Mohammed Mossadegh that he was doing neocolonialism when he nationalized the natural resources that had been stolen by British colonizers and that he's exactly like Netanyahu for it. I guess the CIA was right to overthrow him, democracy be damned.
What an absolutely insane take.
This isn't the checkmate you think it is.
“Fascists brush their teeth twice a day. You also brush your teeth. That means you are a fascist!!!”
Do not omit the context from the general notion. I am speaking of bourgeois industrialists who exploit the working class, and not native populations with the right to sovereignty.
So no citations, just the same old regurgitated propaganda that has been in the library stands for decades. I think we've reached common ground, you recognize you are basically proposing:
And I'm just pointing it out. You speak of that only easily materializing in the caricatures you have in your mind but which you would do your best bourgeois impersonation to apply liberally if you ever got the power to do so. This isn't the checkmate you think it is, you are just wearing a different brand of rhetoric that just ends up devolving in a pretty similar way.
The oppression they’re referring to is shooting at protestors wanting democratic reforms. The comment before that literally gives an example, the least you could do is look into it.
First of all, socialist governments, like any other government, did not use force on protestors unless provoked by seditious behavior (i.e. coup attempt or political unrest), and only in proportion, which was the case in Hungary and in China. Stories about tanks crushing the bodies of protestors is fictitious. Also, the history of the Soviet Union, the PRC and other socialist polities is filled with workers protests that were left unaltered because they are a natural part in the process of building socialism. Thus, the idea that freedom of expression was inexistent under socialism is false, which leads me to my second point.
The claim that the riots in socialist states called for "democratic" reforms is the furthest thing from the truth. In the case of Hungary, the 1956 uprising was orchestrated by the Prime Minister in order to establish a capitalist multi-party system and restore the property of the big landowners after they were purged in the preceding decade and their industries nationalized by the state. If you consider this to be "democracy" then you cannot consider yourself to be a leftist.
Thousands were killed in the uprising.
The demands largely emphasized national sovereignty and labor conditions, not restoration of appropriated property to the bourgeoisie.
Justifying an invasion, an act of aggression over international borders, under the characterization of sedition is simply begging the question of the legitimacy of the established structure of governance.
By this point, Soviet governance was failing to produce improved conditions for workers, and much of the working class was disinterested in further personal sacrifice for a prolonged struggle against the capitalist core.
I just realized what your name references, gtfo genocide enabler red fash belongs in the same pit as the regular fascists
Cry harder patriot
Don't you have a Russian gas to buy?
Lol weak
Lol, I randomly generate all of my usernames.
With your beliefs I highly doubt that, blocking you now fash
Cope
wow how random.
Ahh yes, the burgeois sailors of kronstadt.
Source.
Uh huh right, source me reality then, enlighten us that live in The Cave
good to know that you don't think there was anything else that Nazi Germany did wrong. The extermination of millions of people was apparently a good decision in your eyes.
This is about what I expected from someone who posts on meanwhileongrad.
I am a user on this collective platform as much as you are. You may block me if my genuine contributions seem to irk you.
Extremists like to use "alternative facts" or whatever other tactics achieve their goals. The means does not matter to them, only the ends, which they feel self-righteously justifies anything to achieve.
And then separately from that, gullible people also exist too. It is a bias that we all could fall prey to, though some of us seem more on guard against it than others.
(Tbf, many of those claiming those alternative facts are quite aware of just how nonfactual they actually are - they simply do not care as power, rather than correctness, is all that there is to them.)
This comment is dripping with unintentional irony. How many times have you been shown a picture of bicycles and pretended they were dead bodies?
Tankies never seem to get that that part is not being critized, but the subversive of the movement by authoritarians.
This is projection on three levels
First you're projecting a lack of knowledge
Second you're projecting basic social democratic policies onto socalism
And finally you're projecting onto socalism the 'subversive authoritarians' that have done nothing but dismantle those policies while committing the worst atrocities in history around the world
And anyone who stands up to them (authority) gets called a tankie
The only good leftist is the one that votes for the BLUE genocidal drill-baby-drill rapist
Except you'd not get that healthcare and the rest if you didn't pay people off.
In theory it might seem fine, but in reality it was just a dictatorship, and quite a brutal one too.
Anything's possible when you make shit up
eh docs and nurses are pretty fucking cool but don't work for free. of course you're going to pay people off, they need wages ffs
Communism = no currency. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of knowledge regarding communism in here. A bit of an echo chamber. It's funny how so many can hate something so much without actually knowing what it is they're hating. Ha.
...I'd prefer a single payer system where no one went without. Broke my nose while living in the UK and was impressed with their no bullshit system.
you can have democratic socialism of many flavors without going full on communism, and you'll never get to communism from here, abjectly shittified capitalism. I'd prefer denmark over...well, where has communism worked?
Like, I respect the medical professionals Cuba produces but would never want to live there.
You're advocating for the "lesser evil" option without having a basic understanding of leftist ideology. It's still capitalism, it's still a terrible right winger framework.
you didn't answer the question at all. call it whatever you want, I'd rather have something that I can see working - than something that I've never seen work. Unfettered capitalism is cancer, sure. But that's not exclusive to capitalism - government without restraints usually is miserable - see the USSR.
if you can show me communism working I'm down to learn new things; but you can't point at liberal social democracies and say "that's still in the terrible right winger framework" when it's functioning far better than the US or the communist countries I've seen.
Another data point would be great, but from my POV all I can see is left---(social democracies)---center-----right (capitalist fascism)
note there's no (communist society) on that spectrum.
Communism has never been implemented. You're unaware of what communism is, so how would you know anyways? Social Democracy Isn't on the left side of the spectrum. There's no such thing as a leftist that supports capitalism. Capitalism does not work without exploitation.
China is working towards communism, and the USSR made huge progress, all while at war with the west the entire time.
I'm busy reading and can't be bothered to continue this conversation. Later.
You libs sure are angry birds.