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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 1 year ago

When I saw the response to covid, a very visible threat, I knew we were going to fry.

[-] fear@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

I agree there were so many screw-ups in the response, especially in the early days. China insisting upon secrecy until it spread across the globe, the WHO's confusing statements on the efficacy of masks in order to preserve supplies for the front lines, the ridiculous pro-masker vs anti-masker mentality, the Trump fiasco where he suggested doctors use lemon fresh Lysol or whatever the hell he was on about to disinfect people's lungs as if he has a goddamed clue, the alt-right losing their minds over a dangerous vaccine with Bill Gates computer chips in it, etc.

But remember CFCs and the hole in the ozone layer? Scientists were like "Hey, guys. There's a hole here. We need to stop using this crap or we dead." And everyone banded together and stopped using CFCs, and the hole in the ozone layer closed happily ever after. Sometimes we can actually do it right. I don't know, maybe it'll take a crisis like losing Florida to the ocean for Americans to collectively give a shit again and start doing things right. Or maybe we'll all die before we get a chance to see that happen.

[-] pneumapunk@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago

Acid rain is another success story for "making a giant collective change to fix a nearly invisible problem".

I think one major difference is that there are enormous companies and entire countries whose way of life truly depends on pumping fossil carbon out of the ground. It wasn't that way for CFCs or NO~x~. Sure, Dow/DuPont/whomever surely lost some profitable investment in freon plants, but they had other business as well, and their old customers switched to buying the new refrigerants from the same suppliers.

[-] SkepticElliptic@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

My tinfoil hat says that DuPont/Dow was behind all of that as their patents were about to expire anyway. Now nobody else can produce their products cheaply and they get to sell their new pantended "safe" replacement.

It's funny that when their patent for r-134a ran out they got it phased out for yf-1234.

[-] Triple_B@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

yf-1234? That's dumb, r-134a rolls off the tongue. Also, my tinfoil hat agrees with you.

[-] SenorBolsa@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not even tin foil hat territory it's longstanding MO for chemical and pharmaceutical corps. The pattern is super obvious in pharma.

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