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[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 month ago

To be fair...Obama did "just kill people" by the thousands.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 month ago

Liberals like Obama because he did it while keeping a low profile so they could keep their conscious clean.

MAGA like Trump cuz he gloats about it so they can revel in it.

[-] prole 16 points 1 month ago

Where the fuck did I say I liked Obama.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago

When you hear people insult liberals do you always take it personally?

[-] prole 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Maybe go back to the original comment for this thread and read usernames

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I know you were at the top, what I don't understand is why you thought my comment was directed at you.

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

They were clearly responding to the person who instinctively jumped to defend Obama, if you look at the usernames, he was clearly not taking to you...

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That person absolutely wasn't defending Obama. They were clearly calling him out, likely for his drone strikes.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Wasn't even directed at anyone in particular, just stating the observation.

[-] ronigami@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago
[-] rimu@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Do you care to name an incident, so we can compare?

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago
[-] rimu@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago

Yes, I see, lots of parallels there.

Apparently Trump is quite a fan of drone strikes too:

There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office,

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That Trump is worse does not trivialize the fact.

[-] rimu@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah I'm not arguing with you on this just sharing information I found.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

If my math is right, that's not by the thousands. That's by the tens.

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Roughly %10 casualty rate. That's dog shit 💩

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Every US president practically has.

[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

This is pretty much why the Supreme Court ruled that a president's actions cannot be considered illegal, when performed in the name of their official capacity as president. They didn't just give Trump the authority to violate the law...they retroactively gave it to every other president that has committed atrocities during their time in office.

In a twisted sort of way, they were affirming what's already considered established precedent.

[-] absentbird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I thought Obama had congressional approval for all his military actions.

That's not just killing people, it's part of the job of being president: executing the will of the republic. What Trump is doing is very different.

[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Obama was really just piggy-backing on previous "approvals". He was also conducting drone strikes wherever he felt like...in or out of active war scenarios. It was also all based on shadowy intelligence, and done without any due process for those he killed. All in the name of the Republic...just like how Trump is claiming his actions are.

So...not much different.

[-] absentbird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Congress approved military strikes in the entire middle east region under Bush. Even if the strikes weren't in active war zones, they were approved uses of military force. Trump has no such authority for his strikes on boats in the Pacific and Caribbean.

I agree that the authorizations granted under Bush were bullshit and tantamount to war crimes, but the actions of the president is starkly different.

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