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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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Part of the insistence of ACAB is to push these non bastard cops to do something about their bad reputation, in my opinion. Like, I don’t truly believe most women saying “all men” mean “ALL” it’s meant to fire the men up who don’t want it to be all men.
To a certain extent, “every cog is crooked in a corrupt machine” and some are definitely sticking to that. But in either case, the desired outcome is that the good hearted people will make a change. Either cop as a profession will disappear, and those people give their time to the public in other ways, or the cancer will be excised from within.
As a man, I can confidently tell you, that causes the opposite effect. Just makes you isolate from the group that hates you, obviously. And for me, that's everyone/everything anyway.
I also know a lot of men who aren't affected by it in this way. If you can't get over the "all men" rhetoric, you're high-key too sensitive. And I'm really fucking sensitive.
Yes I fucking am, and I should be. I don't want or need to be lumped in with this shit, I am fine without more human bullshit. It's bad enough to go work somewhere that you are judged just for trying to eat healthy, I don't have to tolerate any injustice.
You should get therapy instead of trauma posting on lemmy. You have growing you need to do.
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