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Eyes Up's purpose is to "preserve evidence until it can be used in court." But it has been swept up in Apple's attack on ICE-spotting apps.

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[-] athairmor@lemmy.world 154 points 1 week ago

Send Apple feedback. They need to hear how unpopular working with Trump will make them.

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 120 points 1 week ago

OR stop buying ANY of their products

[-] athairmor@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago

Well, both, really.

Make sure they know you won’t be buying their process anymore because of these policies.

[-] socialsecurity@piefed.social 34 points 1 week ago

If people actually do this, they would find out next quarter

But everyone loves talking big but keeps using these corpos products

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 week ago

I, for one, have never used any of their shit.

Don't project.

[-] Triton420@mander.xyz 25 points 1 week ago

I don’t think he’s projecting on you personally, Apple has a $3.76T market cap. If people really were upset that number would go down

[-] socialsecurity@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago

Correct.

One guy standing tall is cute and all but that'd not how systematic change happens. Need like 10-15% of people to get in the fight to send a proper message

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

Be the change you want to see.

[-] socialsecurity@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago

I am already balls deep, chief.

Helping family and friends while shilling it online.

We got min 5 years best case scenario still

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 17 points 1 week ago

If you’ve used Android, they did the same thing and removed ICE-spotting apps.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

Which is why I stay away from Google's products too.

[-] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

What do you use?

I tried pine phone, but it wasn't usable as a daily driver.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A random second hand smartphone, with a custom Android rom and no Google crap on it.

Also I'm constantly behind a VPN, just in case they can still get some useful data from me.

I consider that WAY better than buying a shitty iPhone

[-] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Which is why I stay away from Google's products too.

I guess can see how buying items second hand and flashing a ROM is not quite the same as buying a brand new phone running Android, but it seems unfair to then besmirch all iPhone users.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Did I really say anything about iPhone users? I suggested to boycott Apple and I stated that I don't use their products.

Then someone accused me of being an hypocrite, out of literally nowhere.

[-] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Not OP but GrapheneOS on a Pixel probably works quite well. Got independent app stores such as FDroid etc.

[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Still gives money to Google though.

[-] Truscape 7 points 1 week ago

From Ebay it sure doesn't. That's like claiming Nintendo gets a cut of second hand cartridge sales.

[-] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That is what I use, but it still dependent upon Google, for both software and hardware.

While I look forward to Linux phones being usable, but I haven't had that experience yet.

[-] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh that's fantastic.

Can you please tell me you're entirely ethical smartphone setup?

Obviously you won't have any Android in there, including Android ROMs which are based off of AOSP, as Google is just as, if not more, evil than Apple, and any project based off Google's OS is inherently unethical.

Are you're using a Fair Phone? If not, what ethical phone are you using?

And for your OS, is Sailfish or Ubuntu Touch?

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your argument seems to be "all things that aren't perfect are equally bad, so you must either boycott them all or never complain about any." This is obviously silly. We're talking about Apple and ICE, not every other company and every other bad thing.

[-] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Cause using AOSP benefits Google's ability to limit their app restrictions.

Tell me you don't understand open source without telling me you don't understand it...

You give off some real "Well achkshuslly" enlightened centrist vibes here.

[-] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Using Google products is implicit support for Google.

Which, by the way, I understand, but if you actually read the comments from top to bottom, you would have grasped the context.

So tell me you didn't actually read the comment thread without telling me.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

Oh no, we can't have ethical smartphones so we are forced to fund the worst corporations that exist 😢

I guess I'll just go buy an overpriced piece of tech crap locked in a shitty proprietary environment that doesn't respect any of my rights...

[-] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

How about you just don't act high and mighty and pretend that your personal consumer choice of using an Android based OS somehow make you more ethical then those who use an iPhone.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

No, the thing here is that whenever one calls out company X then its fanboys will be like "company Y is worse".

Which is absurd because X and Y don't care about any of you.

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 5 points 1 week ago

Uh, that would have been a good argument back when flagship models didn’t cost more than the latest iPhones. Unless you’re buying something other than Samsung though, you’re paying more than $2k for something that soon won’t even be able to side-load apps.

The gap between Android and iOS is closing as fast as Google can build the wall around their garden.

[-] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The person I was responding to was declaring that their choice to use an Android based phone makes them a more ethical consumer, and therefore a better person, then iPhone users.

That's an absurd position, which was what my comment was highlighting.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

What makes you think I buy flagships?

Also who cares about their gap, Linux phones are the next stop now.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you are still using an apple phone in times like these then you are not taking your life serious enough. Big techs power will absolutely fuck things up in the coming series of purges in the US and people are totally unprepared for it.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 23 points 1 week ago

How much "feedback" do you think it will take to make them contradict the vindictive sitting President? Apple doesn't care about what you think about this because it's not for you.

You know what you can do? Stop giving them money. Write them an email from your iCloud account, then delete said account. Cancel any subscriptions (this seemed to be effective against Disney).

The fed gov holds too much power. You have to show them that Americans, collectively, have more power to affect their bottom line than the Pres, and (most importantly) are willing to exercise it.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

Apple fans are not that type of person, though. They're better than everyone else, and so is their owning entity! They can do no wrong, this app was obviously guilty of doxxing cops ...

[-] quackerjo@lemmy.wtf 9 points 1 week ago

The only people worse than Apple fans, are Apple haters.

Because I see a lot of vocal Apple haters on Lemmy, just shitting all over Apple users, but I rarely see Apple users here shitting on Android or anything else.

[-] oxysis 4 points 1 week ago

I use a iPhone, my mom and dad (may he rest in peace) were already using them and wanted to use the family features on them to keep my brother and me safe. I didn’t choose to be in the ecosystem, I was just placed in it.

I also just have no reason to talk shit on android users because I know many of them are like me. Just placed into the ecosystem by parents, since their parents used them. Also just who really gives that much of a fuck? It’s a phone, it’s a laptop or earbuds or whatever. Largely things that people just need in the modern world, and it’s easy to stick with what you know and what’s easy to use.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Then there's me owner of Android and Apple and talks shit on both haha.

[-] aquovie@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 week ago

Apple is the trend setter. The avant garde. If Apple does it, soon everyone will be doing it. If you see Apple doing something shitty, you need to nip that in the bud right quick.

[-] quackerjo@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 week ago

I don't disagree.

But my comment was a direct response to the user ranting about their superiority to, and hatred of, anyone who uses Apple products.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They kind of got that rep though for defending things people saw as anti consumer such as soldered ram, limited, storage, and blocking installation of non Apple apps. Always going Apple knows best and its for security.

Not exactly the group known for demanding more, but ones who are more complacent.

I'm an Apple owner too with MacMini and iPad so these criticisms of Apple users isn't coming from a non Apple product owning hater. I think average Apple fan in general really sucks for how they seem to kneel over to whatever Apple decides compared to other platform users who are much more critical and demanding of products.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

lol you're just plain wrong on that. Apple fans these days are like you: They make fun of everyone outside of their group instead of the products themselves, because you all understand you won't ever be winning an objective argument.

[-] quackerjo@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What argument...?

Out of nowhere, you just started talking shit about Apple users to make yourself feel superior about your individual consumer choices, really cool bro.

Also unclear who I was making fun of, unless you consider pointing out how absurd your Apple user hate is, to be making fun of you.

But that's not making fun of you, it's pointing out how pathetic your unprompted and vocal hatred for Apple users was.

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[-] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago

Well I was going to pretend not to be a pessimist but realistically, no group of people is "that type of person", which is why we're all so helpless. People are addicted to their favorite platforms and there's nothing you or the platforms can do to make them leave.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Microsoft might prove that one wrong if they keep enshittifying Windows.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

They're based in the USA, they have to work with the government or they'll be targeted/taken over/shut down, surely?

They could try to escape the USA and move all their operations to Europe, but I think they're just going to stick where they are and do whatever the fascists want them to do. So long as they're getting paid why should they care?

[-] aquovie@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago

They had no problem standing up to the FBI when they knew the Constitution still worked. It's not bravery when it doesn't cost you anything and there's nothing to be afraid of. But now things are different and regular every day people don't want to say it out. The implications make them uncomfortable.

Apple's market share outside of the US is pretty pitiful. Even with their piles of money, it would hurt.

[-] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

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