i didnt say they didnt cause pain, I said they dont necessarily cause it. they can be collected in a way that does indeed cause it, but its not inherently pain.
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the fact you chose a battle by more or less twisting what I said is not putting you in a good place.

Youre such a terrific moron, like the archetype of a carnist.

A: you refuse to read, here is what I wrote to address that

the right to exercise their own will is a right for all animals

There is no ethical slavery no matter how “well” the slaves are treated. That’s why even if it were possible to extract milk from a cow in a completely painless manner the fact that they are property is already at odds with being vegan.

B: you have to insist on hypotheticals that are at best some edge cases but aren't really relevant to daily consumption.

Even if it were possible to extract milk painlessly (it isn't) and it were possible to do so in an ethical manner (another nonstarter) the fact is that this isn't happening. Why insist on arguing about something that isn't real, but some imagined world where you make the rules how you want? Arguing about spherical cows in a frictionless vacuum is not really relevant in our day-to-day lives.

C: you refuse to read the material you are being spoonfed.

It simply isn't possible to extract milk painlessly and the material I linked explains why. I'd like to see you argue how you would impregnate a cow, get rid of her baby so you can have the milk for yourself in a painless manner. Keeping in mind that being able to control her life in such a manner already is not vegan.

D: you don't consider what actual vegans say.

if there was a piece of a honey comb for example thats just abandoned, would it still be vegan, something abandoned like checks notes ops question.

I already answered this here https://lemmy.ml/comment/21393729 and most other vegans seem to, more or less, agree.

there are always those weird as blurred lines like the debate on whether figs are vegan.

not really. It's very easy "are the animals property or free?". When in doubt ask yourself "what if it were a human?" and there then is your answer.