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[-] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 150 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty tepid endorsement but somehow still better than many of her peers

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 145 points 2 weeks ago

She tried to pivot to others in the party...

[-] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 164 points 2 weeks ago
[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 106 points 2 weeks ago

It's still fucked considering she was better in every way compared to the other option. That said, yes she has zero charisma and authenticity. Her entire platform is consultancy-crafted buzzwords and ambiguity.

[-] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago

It was exceedingly obvious 2024 was a populist election, and she let Trump take that mantle and run with it. Bernie would have mopped the floor with these corporatists. This is why Mamdani is ascendant.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Talarico's messaging would probably be perfect for this. Progressive message packaged in religious dogma.

However, given the control billionaires have over media and the what they see, I can't confidently say anyone could win in that uneven playing-field.

Literally anyone. ANY average person should've been able to beat the monster that is Trump. That we couldn't isn't proof Harris sucked (in fairness, she was pretty poor); it's proof the rich wield all the megaphones.

[-] jaycifer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Corporatists? Are you looking for the word corpocrats or corporatocrats?

Edit: corporatocracy is a government ran by corporate business interests, such as we see in the US.

Corporatism is a governance principle that government is a meeting ground for “corporate groups” to make decisions. Corporate groups represent a group of people, typically business leaders but also unions.

In a fascist corporatist state like Mussolini’s Italy this meant keeping business and union leaders close to keep a close eye on them for greater control. In a social corporatist state like Sweden, this means those same leaders have a legally mandated place in the government to get the benefits of capitalist growth tempered by the demands of common workers to receive a fair share of that growth and ensure safe working/living conditions.

I don’t think the powers that be in the US want unions anywhere close to the government, so I don’t think corporatist is the right term.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 weeks ago

"Please donate to Harris, it's the only way to win."

That's the only message I got from her. Lots of talk around other messages but the one they hammered home in all their canvassing, sms and such was MONEY.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean yeah. I canvassed for Harris and when targeting swing-voters and Republicans, this obviously was not the messaging.

When targeting those who actually voted for Democrats historically, of course they're going to think, "This person is aware of what is at stake and that Harris is objectively better in every way. So we need to get money for the war chest because the opposition has more billionaires, Russia, and Israel backing him."

I saw messages like that, too, and went, "Yep take my money. Defeat this fucking fascist."

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It’s still fucked considering she was better in every way compared to the other option.

He'll die sooner

Her entire platform is consultancy-crafted buzzwords and ambiguity.

She was not ambiguous about her support for the police state, imperialism, nor genocide

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Oh good, so we can have JDV as President. I'm SO relieved... lol. Tankie from lemmy.ml bringing up "imPEriAlisM." Why am I unsurprised.

Harris was still better on issues of police state, imperialism, and genocide. If I was a Palestinian, my chances for me and my family to survive were better in the hands of Harris than Donald Trump who — checks notes — (a) Did not mentions support for a 2-state solution, (b) Told bibi to "finish the job," and (c) post-election stated Gaza should be turned into "the next Riviera."

Not to mention the other genocide being perpetrated by Russia right now in Ukraine, which Democrats have 100% been better on as well.

Edit: Oh, they are actually Russian, lol. No wonder.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

— checks notes —

Douche chill.

Oh? You checked your notes and the only arguments you could conjure were completely immaterial nonsense like what Harris said while she was murdering hundreds of thousands of people? She said nicer things so she's better?

You have a baby brain.

Tankie from lemmy.ml bringing up “imPEriAlisM.”

Or you just explicitly don't value human life if it's brown and on the other side of imaginary line.

God. Imagine even bringing up the concept of the millions of dead overseas we're responsible for. How soy. How mockable.

I need to spend three times as long typing this word just so everyone knows how silly valuing human life is in my eyes.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Found the maga bot.

Tagged!

Rational bystanders, take note. Lots of wedge-driving astroturfing red hats on here.

EDIT: Bonus: "How soy" he says, LOL.

  • Take a look at their moderation history and what they've been banned for in the past.
  • Take a look at their comment history to see gems such as, "Death to America," "Name a Russian colony," and "want to see a westerner have a full on tantrum? Suggest to them that their actions are not always morally neutral" LOL.

Probably a Russian troll bot, trying to put some bread on the table with the few rubles they make.

Slava Ukraini!

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

American brains are so cooked by their media environment they cannot comprehend a world without exactly two political positions.

Someone disagreed with me? But I'm good! That must mean they are from bad!

No thought stopping cliches needed here. No thinking in the first place.

[-] chloroken@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Hey bro! I'm an American from Pennsylvania. I'm only telling you this so your bigotry doesn't blind you before reading the following message:

You're a baby brain. The day you pick up a book and read a single page is the day hell freezes over. Your lack of understanding of political theory is second only to just how unintelligent your writing style is.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Sure you are, "bro" ;)

Slava Ukraini.

Fuck Putin, and fuck the CCP.

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in every way

Take that back before i have to defend Donald trump. Take that back right now. Maybe just add some qualifiers–just mitigate that blatantly untrue statement. This is violence. You're doing violence to me. Please dont force me to do this.

[-] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Drop the embarrassingly bad jokes. Go ahead and defend Donald Trump. Take ownership of your fucking position you coward.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

He said, supporting a genocide and pretending the opposite

[-] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

lol ok whatever. Instead of just turning Palestinian children into paste lets also permit masses of African children to starve, open up concentration camps for Immigrant South Americans, embolden white supremacists & nazis, destroy healthcare for millions of poor Americans, and stoke stochastic terrorism towards trans people.

I mean, we might as well shoot for the stars right? Why only do a half step towards dystopia? Might as well go full hog.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When democrats drag the bodies of the people they threw under the bus back out to use as a shield

HalfSalesman, serious question: what's the difference between you and a fucking nazi? The way the both of you feel free to use words as playthings and force the rest of us to defend reality from you?

[-] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

You're exhausting. I'm not a democrat or a nazi.

Are we going to discuss how you guys think Trump winning is good for the left actually? Or something like that?

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[-] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well he's willing to admit to frustration with zionists, which is closer to stopping the american bombing of Palestine than any dem has been. His transphobia is opportunistic and not a deeply held conviction like harris'. We at least hear about the camps and deportations, which we do not under blue admins. It will be easier to organize labor resistance under him than it would have been under Harris. He and his followers–while much worse smelling–are about 10% less victim blamey and obnoxious. Trump was much funnier before he went senile, and remains a gift to comedy writers. Probably some other stuff I didn't think of.

[-] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

OK thank you for revealing some of your delusions and mental gymnastics. You are so far gone that I don't think it'd be productive even having a discussion with you.

I hope you experience the maximum amount of cognitive dissonance over the next 3 years and realize how politically destructive you have been to the well being of yourself, your fellow workers, and humanity as a whole. I hope you agonize and despair. Just before a vacuum decay event happens and erases all of our sorry existence.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Bot reply. Literally zero connection to the comment above it. Doesn't acknowledge the list of items presented. Believes you can be convincing with pure smugness.

BlueAnon. Zero fundamental difference from MAGA. No policy differences. Just paying attention now that the incompetent fascist is in power. Just came back from a 4 year brunch.

[-] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I've very likely been paying attention longer than you have you stupid shit. Long before Trump. And make no mistake: fuck the DNC too. Fuck Harris. Fuck Biden. Fuck Schumer. Fuck Clinton.

But man, I've been paying attention too fucking long. I sick of it. I'm done.

So also fuck you. Fuck Hasan Piker, Fuck Twitter lefties, Fuck Jill Stein, Fuck BadEmpanada, Fuck SecondThought, Fuck Hakim, Fuck Tankies, Fuck Campists, Fuck every dumb shit who said "A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide". Fuck them all with a rusty shiv on fire.

I'm not trying to convince you to change your views because you brainlets aren't capable of rational thinking anyway. It would 100% be a waste of everyone's time. I just hate you for your stupidity and the harm you've self-righteously brought upon everyone and I want you to know that because nothing matters. There is nothing for us to discuss, we are enemies.

Go ahead and not vote in 2026 and 2028 buddy. Go ahead and never vote. Hell, go ahead and vote republican lol. We're already fucked. It doesn't matter. Let it all burn.

I feel bad for the kids, they did not choose this. It is being thrust upon them because stubborn liberals and contrarian lefty's destroyed their future. What a fucking waste.

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[-] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'd hope its just major stockholm syndrome at this point. Like she doesn't see that the democrats as the Hindenburg at this point...

They probably all still think its identity politics while the rest of the world sees it as "fuck the corporatist establishment, if we aren't going to get any recognition, might as well burn it down with populism"

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago

Just the worst possible instincts.

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