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No wonder she lost.
It's still fucked considering she was better in every way compared to the other option. That said, yes she has zero charisma and authenticity. Her entire platform is consultancy-crafted buzzwords and ambiguity.
It was exceedingly obvious 2024 was a populist election, and she let Trump take that mantle and run with it. Bernie would have mopped the floor with these corporatists. This is why Mamdani is ascendant.
Talarico's messaging would probably be perfect for this. Progressive message packaged in religious dogma.
However, given the control billionaires have over media and the what they see, I can't confidently say anyone could win in that uneven playing-field.
Literally anyone. ANY average person should've been able to beat the monster that is Trump. That we couldn't isn't proof Harris sucked (in fairness, she was pretty poor); it's proof the rich wield all the megaphones.
Corporatists? Are you looking for the word corpocrats or corporatocrats?
Edit: corporatocracy is a government ran by corporate business interests, such as we see in the US.
Corporatism is a governance principle that government is a meeting ground for “corporate groups” to make decisions. Corporate groups represent a group of people, typically business leaders but also unions.
In a fascist corporatist state like Mussolini’s Italy this meant keeping business and union leaders close to keep a close eye on them for greater control. In a social corporatist state like Sweden, this means those same leaders have a legally mandated place in the government to get the benefits of capitalist growth tempered by the demands of common workers to receive a fair share of that growth and ensure safe working/living conditions.
I don’t think the powers that be in the US want unions anywhere close to the government, so I don’t think corporatist is the right term.
"Please donate to Harris, it's the only way to win."
That's the only message I got from her. Lots of talk around other messages but the one they hammered home in all their canvassing, sms and such was MONEY.
I mean yeah. I canvassed for Harris and when targeting swing-voters and Republicans, this obviously was not the messaging.
When targeting those who actually voted for Democrats historically, of course they're going to think, "This person is aware of what is at stake and that Harris is objectively better in every way. So we need to get money for the war chest because the opposition has more billionaires, Russia, and Israel backing him."
I saw messages like that, too, and went, "Yep take my money. Defeat this fucking fascist."
He'll die sooner
She was not ambiguous about her support for the police state, imperialism, nor genocide
Oh good, so we can have JDV as President. I'm SO relieved... lol. Tankie from lemmy.ml bringing up "imPEriAlisM." Why am I unsurprised.
Harris was still better on issues of police state, imperialism, and genocide. If I was a Palestinian, my chances for me and my family to survive were better in the hands of Harris than Donald Trump who — checks notes — (a) Did not mentions support for a 2-state solution, (b) Told bibi to "finish the job," and (c) post-election stated Gaza should be turned into "the next Riviera."
Not to mention the other genocide being perpetrated by Russia right now in Ukraine, which Democrats have 100% been better on as well.
Edit: Oh, they are actually Russian, lol. No wonder.
Douche chill.
Oh? You checked your notes and the only arguments you could conjure were completely immaterial nonsense like what Harris said while she was murdering hundreds of thousands of people? She said nicer things so she's better?
You have a baby brain.
Or you just explicitly don't value human life if it's brown and on the other side of imaginary line.
God. Imagine even bringing up the concept of the millions of dead overseas we're responsible for. How soy. How mockable.
I need to spend three times as long typing this word just so everyone knows how silly valuing human life is in my eyes.
Found the maga bot.
Tagged!
Rational bystanders, take note. Lots of wedge-driving astroturfing red hats on here.
EDIT: Bonus: "How soy" he says, LOL.
Probably a Russian troll bot, trying to put some bread on the table with the few rubles they make.
Slava Ukraini!
American brains are so cooked by their media environment they cannot comprehend a world without exactly two political positions.
Someone disagreed with me? But I'm good! That must mean they are from bad!
No thought stopping cliches needed here. No thinking in the first place.
Hey bro! I'm an American from Pennsylvania. I'm only telling you this so your bigotry doesn't blind you before reading the following message:
You're a baby brain. The day you pick up a book and read a single page is the day hell freezes over. Your lack of understanding of political theory is second only to just how unintelligent your writing style is.
Sure you are, "bro" ;)
Slava Ukraini.
Fuck Putin, and fuck the CCP.
Racist moron.
No racism here, little CCP Tankie! Are you racist against bears or something?
Most coherent Democrat.
Take that back before i have to defend Donald trump. Take that back right now. Maybe just add some qualifiers–just mitigate that blatantly untrue statement. This is violence. You're doing violence to me. Please dont force me to do this.
Drop the embarrassingly bad jokes. Go ahead and defend Donald Trump. Take ownership of your fucking position you coward.
Well he's willing to admit to frustration with zionists, which is closer to stopping the american bombing of Palestine than any dem has been. His transphobia is opportunistic and not a deeply held conviction like harris'. We at least hear about the camps and deportations, which we do not under blue admins. It will be easier to organize labor resistance under him than it would have been under Harris. He and his followers–while much worse smelling–are about 10% less victim blamey and obnoxious. Trump was much funnier before he went senile, and remains a gift to comedy writers. Probably some other stuff I didn't think of.
OK thank you for revealing some of your delusions and mental gymnastics. You are so far gone that I don't think it'd be productive even having a discussion with you.
I hope you experience the maximum amount of cognitive dissonance over the next 3 years and realize how politically destructive you have been to the well being of yourself, your fellow workers, and humanity as a whole. I hope you agonize and despair. Just before a vacuum decay event happens and erases all of our sorry existence.
Bot reply. Literally zero connection to the comment above it. Doesn't acknowledge the list of items presented. Believes you can be convincing with pure smugness.
BlueAnon. Zero fundamental difference from MAGA. No policy differences. Just paying attention now that the incompetent fascist is in power. Just came back from a 4 year brunch.
I've very likely been paying attention longer than you have you stupid shit. Long before Trump. And make no mistake: fuck the DNC too. Fuck Harris. Fuck Biden. Fuck Schumer. Fuck Clinton.
But man, I've been paying attention too fucking long. I sick of it. I'm done.
So also fuck you. Fuck Hasan Piker, Fuck Twitter lefties, Fuck Jill Stein, Fuck BadEmpanada, Fuck SecondThought, Fuck Hakim, Fuck Tankies, Fuck Campists, Fuck every dumb shit who said "A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide". Fuck them all with a rusty shiv on fire.
I'm not trying to convince you to change your views because you brainlets aren't capable of rational thinking anyway. It would 100% be a waste of everyone's time. I just hate you for your stupidity and the harm you've self-righteously brought upon everyone and I want you to know that because nothing matters. There is nothing for us to discuss, we are enemies.
Go ahead and not vote in 2026 and 2028 buddy. Go ahead and never vote. Hell, go ahead and vote republican lol. We're already fucked. It doesn't matter. Let it all burn.
I feel bad for the kids, they did not choose this. It is being thrust upon them because stubborn liberals and contrarian lefty's destroyed their future. What a fucking waste.
No shit you're not trying to convince anyone to change their views. You're engaging in a vapid self indulgent tantrum.
My main offense is taken by you pretending you're holding out on us.
You need to shut the fuck up. Taking up all this oxygen in the room just to declare how smart you are and fuck everyone who isn't you? And you segue into this from saying how mature you are??
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up. Make good on your threat to leave this kind of discussion to other people because you are an active detriment.
Hey look at me I have aged but I have not grown. My tears are precious. My anger is a guiding light. To what? Silence. Just listen to me dammit.
Holding out on you? Mature? Where the fuck did I say I was mature? I said I've been doing this shit a long time but I never used the word mature. What the fuck are you babbling about? I'm saying experienced, that's not the same as maturity. Maturity is more of a social construct implying a wise and pro-social state.
Here's the thing: Everytime I get into discussions with you fucking people (or watching discussions play out between you and other people on here) trying to pry out your actual stances are, you get pissy because you know they're unhinged views and no one sane takes them seriously when they're laid out on the table. Or you do what you are doing now: hyperfixate on the character of who you are arguing with, in this case me. I never claimed to have good character, I'll embrace the fact that I've become a misanthrope because its true. I don't give a fuck that you think I'm a bad person, we will never fucking meet. You believe bad people are good and good people are bad anyway so I don't give a fuck about your tainted evaluation of my character. It doesn't fucking matter to either of us I don't know why you pretend. Well, I mean I do: cognitive dissonance and maybe propaganda purposes.
Notice how I more or stated the person's views are delusional after insisting they come out with it though. I called them a coward because they obfuscated their beliefs to get them to just fucking come out with it. After they disclosed what they actually thought, I realized that I was basically potentially engaging with a flat earther equivalent set of arguments and told them I hated them for the consequences of their rhetoric.
What else needs to be said? That you guys decide to engage with me after implies that you think there is something to be gained in doing so. IDK why you don't just block me if that isn't the case.
Telling me to go away wont work. My job has too many boring moments and I got to fill that shit with something.
You can't have so many consecutive posts where you say nothing on topic or of value and then expect people to read a whole chapter of your diary like this
I was talking about campists/tankie/.ml-user beliefs and propaganda tactics and how transparently dumb it all is. I don't want to talk about me, you guys are the ones trying to make this about me.
Anyways, I'm sorry you struggle with reading. I thought you .ml users were all about reading big old texts written by autistics. Must be a terrible handicap in your social circle.
"you're wrong and no I won't say about what or articulate why, I'm just going to whine for literally a dozen paragraphs and if you don't read them all then I'm gonna start throwing slurs"
welcome to dot world
Judge our enemies by the fact that it's us that don't like them
Dude what he posted was on another planet from me though. Do you argue with MAGA? Do you actually waste your time on debating Qanon? Do you waste time on perpetual motion machines?
Hey man I fucking love discourse, I love debate, but there is a line even for me. I only have so much mental energy or time.
EDIT: Also I think things are hopeless these days so I kind of just hate people now.
EDIT2: I also kind of just want things to be hopeless because I want a reason to stop caring. I'm tired of caring. I want to stop caring.
Qanon hasn't been a thing for years. Why are you telling me you care when you haven't left 2016?
You feel hopeless because you have no vision for the future. That's downstream from having no ideology. You have no project so all you do is complain and whine. The answer for you is to make good on that 'woe is me' bullshit and actually have some humility. Because obviously you're wrong about something and struggling with the contradictions. You're going to have to figure your shit out.
Or just fully embrace the nihilism and be a fascist for real because that's the road you're on right now.
Qanon still exists, it just shrank. Regardless at its peak it was an example of a group of people that shouldn't be talked to unless you want to waste your time. Which I guess I seem to love doing, at least at work.
I feel things are hopeless because the evidence seems to pretty strongly point to that conclusion.
Well as we previously discovered you're fucking dumb so maybe it's time to stop pretending you know what you're talking about.
So what do you, like... Believe in?
Read my bio. I used to believe in those things. Now I kind of believe in nothing. With a small voice of hope in my head that I deeply deeply resent and wish to kill. That tiny voice of hope is partly why I come onto Lemmy though. Part of me wants to be wrong.
TBH, right now I've been focusing on just making more money, getting drunk at bars, and one night stands to distract myself. (Later about to be way more fun once I get my vasectomy done) Maybe a video game here and there. Putting my energy into just enjoying civilization's final days as much as possible. I only get online and argue/despair about politics during slow periods at work.
He said, supporting a genocide and pretending the opposite
lol ok whatever. Instead of just turning Palestinian children into paste lets also permit masses of African children to starve, open up concentration camps for Immigrant South Americans, embolden white supremacists & nazis, destroy healthcare for millions of poor Americans, and stoke stochastic terrorism towards trans people.
I mean, we might as well shoot for the stars right? Why only do a half step towards dystopia? Might as well go full hog.
When democrats drag the bodies of the people they threw under the bus back out to use as a shield
HalfSalesman, serious question: what's the difference between you and a fucking nazi? The way the both of you feel free to use words as playthings and force the rest of us to defend reality from you?
You're exhausting. I'm not a democrat or a nazi.
Are we going to discuss how you guys think Trump winning is good for the left actually? Or something like that?
When was the last time you beat your wife?
Every. Fucking. Way.
Too late–the violence already happened.
I'd hope its just major stockholm syndrome at this point. Like she doesn't see that the democrats as the Hindenburg at this point...
They probably all still think its identity politics while the rest of the world sees it as "fuck the corporatist establishment, if we aren't going to get any recognition, might as well burn it down with populism"