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what happened to civility? smh.
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Liberals are fascists now? What in the fuck is going on lol
Nope, but Neoliberals sure are crying about the death of a fascist while ignoring the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Which is what the meme illustrates.
So that's where you moved to, you tankie piece of shit.
I haven't "moved to" anything, I'm just crossposting and explaining a meme illustrating a valid grievance with Neoliberal politicians.
95 of them voted to honor the fascist scumbag
In contrast, 27 voting to stop selling weapons to Israel is treated as a fucking miracle.
And not that it matters, but I'm nothing close to a tankie. Check the sidebar of the community you're in, dumbass.
I also remember when they all stood for and applauded an actual Nazi in Parliament.
The "anti-tankie" people don't talk about that very much do they?
Sitting on a fence is why we are where we are.
They are delusional.
Is it your impression that most of the Democrats are anything other than "conservative" in any normal political spectrum?
I objected to the meme but I actually think it's completely accurate as applied to most Democrats in congress or groups of people who think generally like them. It honestly just didn't even occur to me that by "liberals" you might mean that grouping though.
What does it matter where you are on an arbitrary spectrum if you're still participating in genocide?
Me: "Oh, you're right, yeah most of the Democrats in Washington are complicit in genocide. Looked at in that way I agree with your meme."
You: NO NO NO I WANT TO ARGUE YOU MUST BE WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING
Idk how often it needs to be pointed out that Americans dont have some special definition of liberal that has shed itself of all the problems of their European progenitors - they've simply forgotten all the ways in which liberalism runs ideological cover for exploitation.
"I agree with this meme if I detach myself of the liberal label" seems like a moment of self-awareness to me. Im not trying to discourage it, but I think it's important to look at how electoralism has broken people's understanding of political discourse.
In your addled mind, what is a tankie? Anyone to the left of Chuck Schumer? Anyone who isn't a fascist but also doesn't automatically support Hakeem Jeffries? Anyone who disagrees with your perspective and isn't a fascist?
For the record, I abhor tankies and their authoritarian bullshit. You can "make note" of that if you will.
You mean challenge Neoliberal supremacy of everything to the left of fascism. Neoliberalism isn't even left of center ffs! It's the ideology of Ronald Reagan, Joe Lieberman and Hakeem Jeffries.
Nah, sounds like you were plenty fucking sick already 🤷
I wasn't going to, but now that you're asking, I'll waste a few more sentences on your obtuse ass 😄
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Ooooh... when somebody starts whinging about "left unity" I smell liberal... is that what you are?
Bruh, I just read the whole thread. What's ypur problem?
Oh also, I fucking hate tankies.
Learn what it means then. Hint: The term was made by Marxist-Leninists.
Who here is a Tankie? This is an anarchist space. For anarchists.
Yet again, anyone to the left of Biden is a Tankie.
Kindly, stay out of it if you don't know about it. Please and thank you.
You can't have fascism without liberalism. The hand that dangles the carrot cannot be seen to also wield the stick.
Liberals being fascists outside their borders is the entire colonial era.
When they start to become fascist domestically too that's when you know shits about to get bad.
Fascist enablers may as well be fascist themselves.
There is a big contingent on Lemmy that has constructed an enemy category called "liberals." They spend a lot of time talking to each other about what liberals believe and how liberals are, and almost all of it is just how stupid, weak, evil, and pointless liberals are. It's actually exactly the same thing that MAGA people do about... well, about liberals.
You can actually see how it operates in this meme. Pretty much none of the "liberals" on Lemmy have anything other than horror for the killing that's happening in Gaza, or are in any way upset about Charlie Kirk not being around anymore, but it's real important to their worldview that they constantly gather around and tell each other about how evil the liberals are, and so none of them will bat an eye at a post like this. Even if they don't really factually agree with it, it feels really good to experience the meme and talk to one another about how true it is.
Why they do this is deserves careful study. It's not immediately obvious but if you keep tugging on the thread and looking carefully at how they perceive the political world and why, it carries some key insights.
Feeling horror for the genocide isn't mutually exclusive to attempting to drown out the sound of their suffering and your and your party's complicity (which is what the liberals in the meme are doing, in case you're unfamiliar). Acknowledging that the genocide is happening and incredibly sad 😔 isn't very meaningful when you're actively trying not to talk about it.
If youve complained about democrats being criticized for enabling Israel over the last year, then you're in this picture.
Here's me trying to drown out the sound of their suffering:
Here's me complaining about Democrats being criticized for enabling Israel:
That was 8 months ago. I have nothing to add to it. It's mostly come true now, and if you actively pushed in any way for people not to keep Trump out of power, you helped make it happen. Even if you don't believe there is any difference between "sending weapons" and "sending even more weapons plus turning vague diplomatic complaining into excited diplomatic approval plus putting Americans on the ground to help make it happen," you still helped usher in the situation where Palestinian protest leaders in the US are getting deported instead of being out there protesting. Good job.
I'm aware that you're trying hard to reframe me saying "Trump is worse" as if it meant I was making excuses for Biden, or that I'm saying it for any reason other than concern for the Palestinians and all the other people Trump is current fucking up. I am not. Biden was very very bad on this issue, and Trump is worse. That's what's up. You can insult me or mischaracterize that any number of types of ways, but that's what's up. Tell me I'm wrong.
This is precisely what I'm talking about in my comment. You're taking a point of view that you might or might not agree with, either of which is fine, and deciding to pretend that it is a horrifying caricature (that I'm so in love with Joe Biden of all the fucking people in the world that I am willing to overlook or downplay a genocide just to have a chance to distract people from talking about a bad thing he did). Because it's easier than grappling with what's really going on, you simply pretend that there's a whole class of people out there running around who are just constantly stupid and wrong, and you comfortably assure one another that's the explanation for why they sometimes come along and expose you to a critical viewpoint that isn't what you want to hear.
Go on, continue with it, if you want.
Stop skirting around what the meme is talking about
"Look at this terrible tragedy" is not the same as "if we do not end our complicity in this active genocide, we risk losing everything"
Liberals act as if their only option is to vote or not vote, but that's simply not the case. If your party is plugging their ears to the tragedy they are helping commit, your job isn't to make sure everyone knows how bad the other candidate is, it's to confront your party about why they're complicating what should otherwise be an easy choice by doing something objectively evil.
2024 was nobody's fault but the democrats', for exactly the reason depicted in the meme. Instead of addressing the cries for acknowledgment in their base, they fucked us all.
And here we are again, dealing with their choice to revere and defend the life's work of a neonazi while we are still waiting for them to acknowledge the genocide they helped commit and which continues a year later. I can't blow smoke for a party that continuously runs cover for fascists while plugging their ears to their own base.
Id also point out that many of us have been screaming about this genocide for far longer than 8 months, but were yelled down by liberals for bringing it up while democrats were trying to campaign. I'm not going to trudge through your history for evidence that you cared about it before trump was president elect, but it's a little telling to me that 8 months ago is when you made that bold declaration.
You can ignore Phillip, he has repeatedly shown he is unwilling to learn and will lie and deflect any criticism of blue nationalism.
Nah. Fuck liberalism.
The American and British political Liberals have always been fine with Fascism, as long as that the Fascists did their fascist things abroad - I mean, just look at the kind of politicians American Administrations - Democrats and Republicans alike - always supported in South America and the Middle East (the current government in Israel and its Genocide that's turning into a New Holocaust being a painful present day example).
They were supposed to be against Fascism in the Homeland, but as we're seeing now in the US and UK the top "Liberal" politicians when Fascism starts doing its thing in their country quickly bend the knee and even turn collaborationist, which if you think about it makes sense: their objection to Fascism was never Ethical or Moral - had it been so they would've been against it abroad too - it was really only about power and wealth, so if the Fascists become the gatekeepers to that, well, the Liberals will do what it takes to keep their access to it, similarly to how they courted the Moneyed Elites when they were the gatekeepers to power and wealth.
Notice how he didn't respond to that but was comfortable with saying liberals defeated fascism.
When scratched, they bleed fascism.
scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
Let me know when liberals stop fascism. They haven't before.
Just authoritarian propaganda. Ignore and go about your day.
This is an anarchist meme comm. How can we be authoritarians
We're calling out genocide, that makes us the real evil authoritarian propagandists.
Now we must go watch MSNBC that was told to never criticize Charlie Kirk because the CEO liked him. That's not propaganda at all.
The "authoritarian propaganda" of please have consistent morals?
Or the authoritarian propaganda of "Please care about genocide, not a Nazi.*
Like how is any of this authoritarian? If anything it says tell authoritarians to fuck off and follow their leader.