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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 198 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In what universe is Charlie Kirk at all comparable to MLK?

Release the rest of the Epstein files. Release the Yahoo emails. Why is there a drawing of Epstein grooming children allegedly at Mar a Lago?

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago

He's not, and they know it. Pretending he's a martyr for as long as they can is rhetorically useful to them.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

hes useful as a distraction from the epstein files, The old guard dnc wants the news about to go away as much as the gop does. voting with the DS, knowing it wouldnt pass regardless.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 month ago

He isn't and everyone knows it. It's what used to be trolling except it has now become a core principle and they are a full two or three generations into believing their own bullshit. It's like that guy who loves banter until you hit him with a slapper and it's a "he's gonna fight you in the parking lot" kind of situation but he called security and told them threats had been made and the cops are getting involved but it's ok because a few days later he got stabbed 7 times in Lovejoy NY for talking shit in a pool game and all was right with the world.

Sorry I got lost on that one but you get the point.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

.......I'm not sure I do. I got distracted thinking about what kind of pool bet they had.

[-] Aeao@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Do you mind explaining? I checked out of politics because of a mental breakdown. I’m sure you all understand. Who’s Kirk?

[-] toomanypancakes@piefed.world 7 points 1 month ago

Charlie Kirk, the late fascist founder of turning point USA, a fascist propaganda organization.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

A God-bothering fascist propaganda organization with heavy emphasis on gun fetishism.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

An organization that was somehow allowed to have chapters on high school campuses. Some might call that grooming or indoctrination.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

He was a piece of shit

[-] deathbird@mander.xyz 21 points 1 month ago

Let's go down the list:

  1. They were both shot and killed.

That's the list.

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[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 14 points 1 month ago

Someone probably equates the political nature and him being white to what happened to MLK Jr.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Yep, Martin Luther Mayonnaise.

[-] skhayfa@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Releasing the files was one of Charlie last wishes.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

trump had him silenced.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In what universe is Charlie Kirk at all comparable to MLK?

They're both famous guys who were in the news for things they said.

Release the rest of the Epstein files.

Didn't we get a big data dump that journalists are actively sifting through? FFS, the UK ambassador to the US just got sacked yesterday over the latest news.

At least take a minute to chew and swallow before you ask for another bite.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 month ago

They're both famous guys who were in the news for things they said.

Your history teachers failed you.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I would be very surprised if Charlie Kirk has been included in anyone's history book to date.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 month ago

If your understanding of why there are any statues of MLK boils down to “he was a famous guy who said stuff and then got shot,” your history teachers have failed you. And if that’s not your understanding, then it’s a terribly dismissive way to describe one of the greatest social traumas for Americans in the 20th century.

[-] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

And yet it's the only common link between the two.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Both were very vocal about Christianity. King being a Reverend and Kirk being a christofascist

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

If your understanding of why there are any statues of MLK boils down to “he was a famous guy who said stuff and then got shot,” your history teachers have failed you.

If we want to get down to the nut of it, he was an icon of a large and very successful social movement who was cut down in his prime by his political opponents.

But that does technically also qualify for Kirk. Also, for any number of Confederate General statues we'd thrown up across the nation in the wake of Jim Crow. Statues don't go to the "Good Guys", they go to the people whose movements have the wealth and the influence to build them.

If your history teacher hasn't conveyed that message, you might need to ask her why we've got Andrew Jackson's face on our money and a pedophile carved into Mt Rushmore. Monuments and statues aren't handed out objectively. They are propaganda works erected by the wealthy and powerful to venerate historical icons. Very real possibility we end up tearing down the MLK memorial under our current President in order to clear a space for these goons, sycophants, and freaks.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

a pedophile carved into Mt Rushmore.

Wait, I know trump was SAYING he was going to put his face on.....but I never heard news that he DID it!

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Sadly, not the first pedophile President

[-] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

One was fighting for a better world, one for a worse one.
One of them deserves a statue, the other one not so much.
I just hope that those who want to have a statue of that hateful, spiteful, horrible person get what they deserve.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

One of them deserves a statue

Statues don't get built based on who deserves one the most.

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[-] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

Mandelson was sacked because of the release of the birthday book by Epstein's estate, not by the government. The government did a "release" before that, but it looks like just a couple per cent was anything new. When people call for info to be released, they're probably most likely asking the government that's supposedly working for the people, not the paedo king's estate.

The assumption is perhaps that the estate has zero interest in releasing stuff damaging to themselves, while the government theoretically should be different.

Theoretically is the operative word here, at least for me. The government is staffed by the paedo king's associates, and they are never releasing anything. So there's never going to be anything released worth chewing and swallowing.

But it is entertaining to watch Trump not be in control of the narrative and squirm

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Mandelson was sacked because of the release of the birthday book by Epstein’s estate, not by the government.

What? He's an ambassador. Of course he was sacked by the government.

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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

We got a Google Drive dump of data after thousands of fbi agents spent months redacting trumps name

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[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

They’re both famous guys who were in the news for things they said.

Come on, dude, you that's dishonest. Were Gandhi and Hitler the same person?

[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 2 points 1 month ago

There is a big difference between. Most people who aren’t actively engaged in this type of discourse like you and I, or don’t pay meticulous attention to conservative media outlets, likely don’t know who Kirk is, let alone care.

MLK Jr. got historically important exposure on television with the broadcast of the March on Washington, D.C. This was one of the first civil rights events to be televised. When you have a new medium to disseminate news that for the first time gives you not just the voice but the image of the people involved, I think that has a huge impact. Prior to this, MLK Jr. was a highly respected religious leader.

Most people today, would probably have to seek out non-governmental sides of political discourse, to even know who Kirk is. I have no doubt your average conservative that watches Fox News has been exposed to Kirk, but they likely won’t recall any talking points. He wasn’t in an elected office. Today, that would probably be the only reason any lay person would listen to them.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Most people who aren’t actively engaged in this type of discourse like you and I, or don’t pay meticulous attention to conservative media outlets, likely don’t know who Kirk is, let alone care.

Kirk's had his face plastered all over the news, his voice jammed into podcasts and radio shows, and his physical form injected into college campuses for over fifteen years running. You don't need to be an academic to know who he is, any more than you needed to be a wrestling fan to know Dwayne Johnson or a pop music obsessive to recognize Taylor Swift.

I have no doubt your average conservative that watches Fox News has been exposed to Kirk

That's tens of millions of people. And then you've got the average liberal who watches MSNBC or tunes in to Colbert's Late Night. They can spot him, too. And then - again - anyone on a major college campus over the last fifteen years knows this guy purely because of his reputation as National Debate-Me Bro. The man did the college circuit hundreds of times. He's been a popular meme for at least a decade. He died running his mouth at a C-list university in Utah, ffs. That's how prolific the man was.

I would gamble that more people could recognize Charlie Kirk on sight than any of the last three Vice Presidents.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

What the absolute fuck

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I'm so happy to see Mandelson lose his job. He was a toxic, corrupt presence in Tony Blair's and Gordon Brown's governments too, and a general slimebag.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

They both got shot, apparently, is the link. He was their guy, and he got shot. Therefore, he’s just like MLK! /s

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

They better replace the statue of Lincoln.

[-] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

They're trying to recover from the loss of Confederate statues over the years.

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