Even your descriptions of how samey the voters are reveals a huge difference though. The nature of each "side" came through in your choice of words.

The first paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that openly wants to harm people all around you.

The second paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that you happen to hate.

The discussion almost feels moot at this point though, because SO much of the american populace has jumped at the chance to support the greater evil over and over.

So I guess the stance I'm taking is kind of a "¿Por Qué No Los Dos?"

1. The system is horribly broken from down in the details of the voting system all the way to the hyper-capitalist type-A rat race culture that is incompatible with sustained human happiness. It needs to be replaced to "fix" things.

2. As long as we have our same busted culture and constitution in place, then if there continue to be regular elections that seem consistent with past ones, and no shady motherfuckers are trying to link identities to ballots, then I am probably still going to go out and vote for the lesser evil.

Granted, we might already be past the point of no return where that vote won't count or the election won't happen. That's why it's a conditional statement.

Capitalism and greed are not what make us our best selves. But you had better believe I voted for "maybe we should at least catch up to Europe with regulating capitalism and protecting the people" instead of "fuck everything and fuck all y'all! Let's try turning the world superpower into a death cult for a generation or two!"

The Harris administration is not where I REALLY want my country to be right now. Not if you're going to give me the magic to actually fix things. But given the fork in the road between whatever Harris was bringing us and (gestures in all directions), I don't see myself changing my mind.