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How is it even a question that fascists are going to be worse than a government shutdown? If they cut spending it's going to mean some people permanently losing government assistant. Why is it acceptable to allow some people to die?
The government is the only tool Democrats have to prevent more spending cuts. If Republicans wanted to use a government shutdown to deny benefits to people, they would have done it, as they have the votes. Republicans do not want a shutdown because they know it will make them look bad. So that's the leverage Democrats can use to prevent more death.
Because the parts of the government exempted just so happens to be the only parts that the fascists always want to fund.
I'm not saying that it's impossible or even unlikely that their proposals are going to be even worse, I'm just saying that we know for a fact that a shutdown would kill people and we don't yet know whether whatever awful proposal the fascists are going to spew is going to kill even MORE people.
That's what I'M asking!
Yes and no: massive fundamental reform of the government into something befitting today's society is needed to achieve that goal.
None of the Dem leadership is advocating for anything of the sort. On the contrary, they're trying their hardest to roll back everything to how it was in 1992.
They HAVE done it. Several times. That's why they came up with this whole farce to begin with.
Not necessarily, no. The Freedumb Caucus usually holds the whole thing hostage to make whatever abomination the leadership suggests even WORSE.
Some do, some don't. Some consider it a win/win either way. Which it is if your goal is to score political points by hurting the most vulnerable people. Which is the majority of their raison d'être.
No they don't. For all their awfulness, they're MUCH better at political messaging/gaslighting than the Dems are, partly because of their shamelessness and enthusiastic embrace of tactical hypocrisy.
Whether the government shuts down or not, they can convince their base that they're doing everything right and the Dems are doing everything wrong.
..are you new? 99% of the times that the Dem leadership ever uses what leverage they have effectively, it's to benefit their owner donors, not regular people who need it the most.
So? The Democrats don't have the power to do anything about that so it isn't relevant.
So you're ok with some people dying.
No you're trying to justify killing a few of us now, so the rest of us can wait out fascism.
This is laughably unattainable with the current Congress. We'll need to flip the Supreme Court with multiple consecutive presidential elections to even be able to start taking swings at that. We're never getting there if Democrats vote for Republican spending cuts with each continuing resolution.
Not in 2025 with this presidential administration and Congress. Which are the only ones that are relevant to this discussion.
They definitely do. They could all not vote on a bill if their goal was a government shutdown. They have the majority in both houses. And Trump could veto any bill if he wanted. edit: typo
Yeah, the majority that align with Trump on everything as often as humanly possible.
Then why not shut it down.
Sounds like they've got everything they need either way. If they're so good at spinning why not shut it down. Because people are turning against them in town halls all across the country. They know there are limits to what even they can get away with. That's why they delayed portions of the 'Big Beautiful Bill' until after the midterms.
What is going on here? I brought up that Schumer is never going to allow a government shutdown. You're trying to argue that we're risking lives by doing a shutdown when that's what you're arguing for by arguing against a shutdown. I'm surprised you don't like Schumer since he's doing exactly what you think is best. If I didn't know better I would say you were trolling. But I've never seen a troll hold mutually exclusive positions in their heads let alone post them in the same comment before. If you know Schumer is bad for not doing a shutdown why do you also think shutdowns are bad? Surely either Schumer is correct and at least somewhat good for opposing a shutdown or bad for opposing it.
Is the ventilation in your building okay? Carbon monoxide poisoning is no joke.
I found Chuck Schumer’s secret Lemmy account!