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What those lawmakers didn’t plan for was that 50 years later, an Oregon citizen activist would use that same bureaucracy to hinder some of the very energy projects that today’s liberals want: wind farms and the new high-voltage lines needed to support them.

They didn’t plan for Irene Gilbert.

The 76-year-old retired state employee, former gun store owner and avid elk hunter from La Grande, Oregon, is on a mission to keep turbines and transmission towers from blighting the rural landscape. She has filed more challenges to energy projects — 15 in all, including lawsuits — than anyone in the state, according to Oregon’s Department of Energy.

“I kind of have a reputation,” Gilbert said.

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

It takes so much petroleum to make and maintain solar panels

I have solar panels on my house and have spent exactly zero petroleum (or carbon at all!) to maintain them. They have also allowed me to disconnect my natural gas connection and heat my house in the winter with electricity.

[-] Nightlight17776@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 hours ago

I hope to do something similar someday but it still cost petroleum to make them. I'm envisioning an alternative. Wind turbines do cost petroleum to maintain. You have to lubricate them. But I don't see why we can't lubricate them with something more environmentally friendly

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

I hope to do something similar someday but it still cost petroleum to make them. I’m envisioning an alternative.

This feels like you're focusing on a tiny tiny issue of carbon use generated during manufacturing of solar panels while ignoring the massive massive issue of carbon use during operation of nearly every other utility traditional power generation system.

Wind turbines do cost petroleum to maintain. You have to lubricate them.

All of the petroleum used to lubricate a windmill over its entire lifetime is likely less than the petroleum used in a single day of a traditional petroleum based power generation system of the same capacity.

Can you explain why you're hyperfocused on the small consumption while ignoring the massively larger consumption of alternatives?

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 minutes ago

All of the petroleum used to lubricate a windmill over its entire lifetime is likely less than the petroleum used in a single day of a traditional petroleum based power generation system of the same capacity.

The ONLY problem about oil is burning it. If we just used it for lubricants and plastics, we'd have enough till pretty much the end of the world.

[-] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I was expecting you to talk about embodied energy in the steel, concrete, copper, composites, silicon, glass, and the diesel trucks, cranes, and helicopters used for installation and maintenance. Most of those could be greenified once there's enough renewables around.

Nope. You care about lubricant. They use stuff all, don't even burn it, and it's not a particularly impossible thing to replace - I'm sure you could synthesize replacements from corn alcohol though you'd still probably need lithium, molybdenum, or whatever other fancy additives are in use.

They used to use whale fat as lubricant.

Congratulations; dumbest take I've seen all year.

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