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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by Timely_Jellyfish_2077@programming.dev to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

It feel like we’re losing to Google, day by day. They aren’t killing AOSP directly, but they are making it useless step by step.

Now it’s Google Play Services, Play Integrity checks, installation source checks… more and more apps just refuse to run without GMS. Banking apps? Most of them don’t work. And it’s only getting worse. I run vanilla AOSP on my main profile, no Play Services. I keep GMS only in my work profile for the apps that absolutely need it. But now even some regular apps that don't need any play services won’t work on my main profile anymore. They simply block your from running , like le chat.

Maps is google's most important app there is no way to run without play services. Sure we can use webview or gmaps wv, but they don't provide turn-by-turn directions. Earlier maps used to work without play services, but two years ago, an update stopped it from working. Now that old version is out of date and no longer works.

Google is slowly making GMS very important to run. The problem with GMS is they require to run as system app and has to have all the permissions by default.

Hope EU puts pressure to make google allow apps to run independently without GMS or atleast install them as user apps(like graphene os sandboxed play services).

If we keep going on like this, AOSP can only run fdroid apps in the future.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 2 points 16 hours ago

Actively developed sure but Linux phones are a solution looking for a problem. Who wants to run scaled down desktop apps on their phone and who wants a terminal on a phone either? I may be a Linux enthusiast but I want a phone that simply works.

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago

A Linux phone doesn't need to be, and definitely shouldn't be, a scaled down desktop. There would obviously need to be some purpose built phone apps made, but I am pretty sure the existing Linux phones already do these, they aren't really breaking new ground here. The whole point would be to have a workable modern phone that isn't under Google or Apple's greedy untrustworthy thumbs.

[-] kittenzrulz123 1 points 8 hours ago

Have you acturally tried Postmarketos or any mobile Linux interface? I have and its just a scaled down Linux desktop.

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I have used postmarketOS, and I thought the interface (Plasma Mobile) was OK, but could use some improvements. How long ago did you use it?

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think the last time I tried the Pinephone it was using Manjaro, not postmarketOS. I have used that before though, but you may want to give it another try as it is vastly improved IMO. That being said, the Pinephone itself still kinda sucks from a hardware perspective.

[-] kittenzrulz123 1 points 3 hours ago

I'll eventually try it on a pixel 3a

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 11 points 15 hours ago

the problem is that google is capable of slurping all of your data and your phone becomes an enhanced avenue for access; the linux phones are the solution to this.

i'm convinced that the "it just works" mantra is the reason why google or apple or microsoft is able to do this sort of asshattery and i can understand why people would want something that simply works.

however, the trade off for this mantra is that you're giving yourself over to a corporation that not only doesn' t have your best interest at heart but has proven will happily sell your control for a penny.

i can also understand why someone wouldn't think that any of this matters and; if you're lucky; it won't matter all, but for the rest of us unlucky sob's (and the people who don't want to put their faith in luck), linux phones matter.

[-] kittenzrulz123 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I use GraphineOS, it already does that but more secure and with apps

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 hours ago

I also run GrapheneOS, but I'd love to have a decent true Linux alternative that wasn't tied to Pixel phones. Maybe I can even get my headphone jack back.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 12 hours ago

i was going to do this too, but none of my functioning androids are supported and i expect google to take another step in disabling alternatives.

[-] pirat@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Who wants to run scaled down desktop apps on their phone

I believe the UI of most apps could be made to work well with phone display sizes and resolutions.

and who wants a terminal on a phone either?

Well, I do! It's great when you want to connect, do or automate something there isn't an app for. For now I sometimes run Termux on Android. Among smartphone users in general I'm probably an edge case, but among Linux users, I must say, using a terminal on the phone doesn't seem that crazy to me.

[-] kittenzrulz123 1 points 13 hours ago

It doesn't matter if they look ok (they still look out of place and feel wrong), the fact is they're built with keyboards in mind. Hell even on phosh you'll see keyboard shortcut indicators.

[-] pirat@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

What stops anyone from making new GUIs, maybe even a new framework for doing that, optimised for touchscreens rather than keyboard and mouse?

Maybe I'm just unknowledgeable, but to me that idea doesn't sound very far-fetched.

[-] kittenzrulz123 2 points 11 hours ago

Because people keep defending the keyboard and mouse based mobile interfaces and as long as people and devs say its ok there will be no incentive to make proper mobile interfaces.

[-] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

A single app can have separate interfaces for mobile and desktop. Mobile/Touch interfaces are uncommon right now because linux on mobile isn't ready, and it is extra work to make a separate GUI.

[-] belit_deg@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

They're actively trying to solve:

  • e-waste and making devices last longer (contributing upstream)
  • escaping data harvesting and surveillance
  • offer an alternative to the mobile duopoly

I'm baffled that they even bother, given how much people complain about it not being good enough. But I'm glad they do, and I think it's awesome.

[-] kittenzrulz123 1 points 13 hours ago

Because they've yet to implement basic security features android had a decade ago and the interfaces are clunky, also once again who thought putting desktop apps on Mobile is a good idea?

[-] belit_deg@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

They're not a multi-billion dollar company. If you don't like it, then don't use it. That's your choice.

But please stop talking nonsense about them not addressing real problems. Because they are. And they deserve credit for that. Not whining about the imperfections of a work in progress.

[-] kittenzrulz123 1 points 11 hours ago

You dont have to be a multi billion dollar company to implement security features that exist in aosp, open source features based on freely available software that simply isnt implemented.

[-] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

No, but it is going to take a considerable amount of time as they don't have the manpower and resources of a multi billion dollar company.

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