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Marriage is a religious act. It should be banned from all government documents. Domestic partnership should replace all mentions of marriage in government documents and licenses can exist if they are giving tax incentives to have partnerships. If you want to get married and have a wedding and what not that's between the people and their beliefs, not our government. So have a wedding and file for a domestic partnership

The government should not care who you have feelings for, nor should they monitor it. If it is religious prerogative to dictate who should be allowed to be happy with who, then all religious ties must be striped from governing bodies as it is inherently anti the happiness of the people. Which for the U.S., is a direct violation of ones right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

Marriage predates all modern religions. I see no reason to cede it to tyrannical puritans.

[-] applebusch 5 points 1 day ago

Right because marriage isn't about religion, it's about property. It's about who owns what and who gets what when someone dies. One could point out the historical aspect of men literally owning their wives, and some people (assholes) certainly still want that, but these days it's all about money. Marriage is a way for rich people to make sure they get to hold onto their partners wealth, even in the event of a divorce or death. It's a tool of capitol, forced on the rest of us by the leaching class. We certainly don't need it to love each other. No war but class war.

[-] shane@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

Marriage is also about allocating resources for taking care of children.

[-] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago
[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago

A lot of people don't

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

I get where you are coming from but this just feels like a semantics argument. Just because it’s called marriage in both venues doesn’t mean it isn’t already functionally exactly the way you put it. My spouse and I got married legally a year before our (non-religious) wedding because of the pandemic, the two don’t have to happen at the same time.

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago

I get where you are coming from but this just feels like a semantics argument. Just because it’s called marriage in both venues doesn’t mean it isn’t already functionally exactly the way you put it.

It feels like a semantics argument because to a large extent it's a fight about semantics. Most of the people opposed to gay marriage aren't fighting the idea that gay folks should be able to see each other in the hospital, or be covered by each other's insurance, etc - they're fighting the idea that their religious ritual from their homophobic religion should be required to accept gay people and/or that they should be required to accept gay people as being in the same spiritual state as them as a consequence of their ritual. It's why arguments against gay marriage are only extremely rarely about the legal rights and privileges granted by marriage but nearly always about things like "sanctity."

Fully separating the legal and cultural/religious concepts of marriage, including in the language is meant to resolve that by ceding the semantic ground without having to cede any actual rights. You qualify and fill out the paperwork? You're in a civil partnership. Do whatever rituals you want, argue whether or not each other's rituals "count" all you want, everyone gets the same rights legally and the government is not in any way saying your rituals are or are not equivalent to anyone else's.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

It's a semantics argument that's worked in the past, to some extent. Before the supreme court made same-sex marriage legal nationally, some states introduced "civil unions" as an alternative to marriage for same sex couples. They were often functionally identical to marriage, but since they weren't called marriages you could get some conservatives to approve them. Not enough to get them passed in red states, but enough to tip the balance in swing states.

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

My parents had a civil union before they got married. It was very much not the same including not being able to file taxes together and only being recognized in one state.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They are separate, but the term marriage is often what people fight over.

For example the Catholic Church, the largest sect of Christianity, leader believed that domestic partnerships should be allowed and protected. But the term marriage held a "sanctity" to the church and thus they did not believe in marrying them within the religion.

So if you took the term marriage out of the documents, the issue becomes "I don't believe others should have rights that I have" and even their religion doesnt agree with them. Thus the bullshit of hiding behind freedom of religion to hate/persecute others starts to dissolve.

[-] javasux@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

👏Separation 👏of 👏Church 👏and 👏state

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah. I said for decades the solution wasn't to recognize gay marriage, but to stop recognizing all marriages.

I'm fine with recognizing partnerships in manners that could be beneficial to society, 2+ people residing in a residence can reduce resource consumption for buildings as well as reducing travel distance which ultimately makes for healthier living situations and less fuel consumption. So even if we get to renewable locally cultivated energy, the amount we need to use is reduced. That doesn't mean people can't live by themselves, or live in the middle nowhere on a 5-17 acre farm if they choose, but maintain infrastructure in small areas is just easier.

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Half the US could not possibly care less about others’ lives, liberties, or pursuits of happiness. Nor could most of their leadership.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Freedom of religion violates the paradox of tolerance

It doesn't have too. It is only a violation of said paradox if the religion does not tolerate the existence of people outside of their religion.

[-] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Only reason to marry is for financial options.

[-] HamstersAreLowCarb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Marriage confers a number of rights and benefits beyond the financial. Next of kin status. Immigration benefits. Presumption of parentage. Medical decision making. Hospital visitation. Funeral and burial decisions. Right to spousal support. Spousal testimonial privilege...

[-] TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

Excellent points, thank you

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