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Why the fuck are vegans not eating honey? It's nectar?
Please don't tell me it's to do with exploitation of insects.
Why are you so aggressive in asking something? Do you expect people to help you like that?
Sorry you had to read a swear word, do you need a a lie down and a snack?
I actually am tired and hungry, so yes, I will. And I am not offended by swear words. It was the phrasing, and it seems I am not the only one.
I hope you find calmness in life.
Police someone else's tone you odd little thing.
nah tone policing is when you tell the gays to be less flamboyant so straight people will like them, or whine about how ridiculous you think vegans are and imply they should be less silly if they want to be taken seriously.
what's going on here is it was politely suggested to you that nobody wants to engage because the thing you said sounds less like a genuine question asked in good faith and more like you have a shitty attitude that you want reaffirmed.
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It has to do with the exploitation of insects.
What about the exploitation of animals ecosystems for farming? Those murderous vegetables!
I'm glad you asked. Fruitarians have an answer to that moral dilemma.
Don't worry, they'll be just as hypocritical as any other virtue-signaling group. Bees make honey, honey bad. But they'll act like pollenators aren't needed for crops or something. Or ignore that beekeepers will take their hives out to farms to pollinate various crops, like avocado. Or that bees seem to, on some level, understand that they have a great deal going. They're not trapped in the hives; they could leave at anytime but don't. And their honey production is higher than that of wild bees. And they have a higher survival rate because the beekeeper ensures they're safe from predators, or from the elements, and from disease. Every beekeeper I've ever seen absolutely love their bees.
But the fun part, is not all vegans think like this. Because it's a "contentious" topic among them. For one, why does anyone care what anyone eats? Like, as long as it's not cannibalism, I don't give a shit. But vegans, from what I gather, will "rank" themselves to other vegans to see who's more vegan than the other. It really reminds me of the "church ladies". The type who judge you for not being churchy enough, who brag about how much church they go to, how much they "do for the church", a "higher than thou" mentality. Some vegans are closer to vegetarians, with just additional restrictions. So just like any group, it's not all... it's just a really loud minority that tries to speak for everyone.
Honeybees destroy ecosystems because they're more efficient at pollination than wild bees are, so there's an ecological nuance to abstaining from honey. Apart from that, there's the ethical component of taking away food that the bees produce for themselves that's not ours for the taking.
Farming has an far greater impact on the ecosystem. There is no way to live for humans without completely reshaping their environment. We evolved as an invasive species.
If you're moral argument to call for a boycott of honey is honey bee's impact on the ecosystem rather than their enslavement and exploitation to humans, your only reasonable moral course of action is Fruitarianism using only fruits growing in the wild - basically an Orang Utan or Gorilla lifestyle. That choice has been made some 4-5 million years ago, when our ancesters became an invasive species in the savanna and began our first reshaping of ecosystems. Good luck reversing that choice.
No, it was not meant as a moral argument but the ecological impact of eating honey and supporting honey farming and beekeeping, as stated in my comment. The ethical argument is the same with any other animal that could be, but shouldn't be from my point of view, exploited for our gain.
Plus there's a difference between harvesting the literal nourishment of a species that requires it for their own suatainment and using them for crops and their pollination: one of them is easily avoidable and unnecessary, the other is a necessary evil but ultimately still required if I want to keep on living.
The most ecological and ethically sound conclusion then would be to just stop existing, but I don't have a deathwish, so that's the least harmful option out of the ones I have.
Capitalism is founded on exploitation of other people, our environment, animals, whatnot, so I don't have any other option until capitalism is overturned and another form of governing rule is established, desirable but currently not possible, so all I can do is minimise the impact I have on the environment, on animals, on other people as much as possible.
About the call for boycotts: Sure, if it were up to me, I'd rather humanity abstain from animal exploitation as a whole, but I'm not evangelising people to come over to veganism. Either you want to make a change one way or another or you don't - not gonna bother trying to convince people. I'm over that.
These fucking vegans care for insects now? That makes me so mad.
the entire concept of veganism is using no animal products my dude