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Animal consumption causes factory farming, and farming causes chickens to develop stress-induced autophagia. I don't like it when the chickens are so unhappy they eat themselves and need to be debeaked. We should all stop doing things that cause that.
no, it doesn't
Well I guess that's true if you shoplift. Shoplifting is fine. Just don't give money to factory farmers or their distribution networks.
unless farmers don't have free will, the only thing that can be said to cause them to farm is their own choice.
So you're saying if I paid an assassin a million dollars to take your life, I wouldn't have any blame for your murder, because the assassin has free will?
that's not what happens in the meat industry. the animal is already dead, and everyone involved is already paid long before I walk into a grocery store. it's not a conspiracy.
Do you think if everyone in the world stopped buying meat, that the slaughterhouses would keep killing cows? I'm going to assume you don't think that, and I'm going to assume you believe the slaughterhouses kill cows because people buy them.
So let me know if you DON'T think that your and others' purchasing of meat causes animal agriculture. Because I think you agree that your actions and others' actions cause it.
no. slaughterhouses kill cows because they are paid by the cattle owners to do so.
animal agriculture existed before anyone ever bought meat. purchasing meat didn't cause animal agriculture.
Trying to get meat caused animal agriculture. Stop trying to get meat.
it's too late. animal agriculture exists, and will continue whether I eat meat or not.
It's too late to prevent murder from existing, so if I pay that assassin a million dollars to murder you, I don't see how that changes the state of the world meaningfully
you are engaging in an immoral conspiracy. no such conspiracy exists between me and slaughterhouses. your analogy is broken, and you should stop trying to make it work.
Well I thought murder was wrong because dying hurts, not because it's a secret.
conspiracies don't need to be secret.
Well then I don't see the relevant difference between what you're doing and assassination contracts
when I buy meat in a shelf, the animal is already dead, the killer has been paid, and I'm not the one who pays them. none of the facts are the same EXCEPT that someone got paid to do a killing.
So what if John Smith pays an assassin to kill you, and then I donate to John's GoFundMe to say thanks for getting you killed? Am I responsible then?
how could you be responsible for that? they did it without your knowledge, and without knowing whether anyone would set up or donate to the GoFundMe.
But animal farmers know that people like you will buy meat at the supermarket, so where you say I'm not responsible, you are.
no, they dont. I could get hit by a bus in my way to the grocery store today. it is impossible to know the future.
But they're gambling their livelihoods on the fact that enough people like you will. Their action is contingent upon their beliefs about the future. Your future.
exactly. they're gambling. I'm not responsible for their decision. there is no conspiracy, as in the case of assassination for hire.
They hire smart people to run the risk reward analysis. If you reduce the payout, they'll place smaller bets.
that doesn't work. can you point on this chart when you stopped buying meat?
"boo hoo, I'm one person in a population of billions and I don't feel like I matter" grow the fuck up. Stop expecting to be special.
seems like you know your plan is not effective
Yeah, there's too many immature people who won't work as part of a team, and instead will only help if their personal actions have huge solo effects. If you people would grow up and help out, we could actually get stuff done, but instead you just complain and seek comfort
whatever your excuse is, it doesn't work
Yeah, you should be kinder and more mature. It's really inconsiderate of you not to help end factory farms
if you can come up with an effective plan, let me know
I have an effective plan. Everyone stops buying meat, the supermarkets lose money buying it, they cancel their contracts, and the animal agriculture industry goes bankrupt. If you won't do your part in the plan, that sounds like a you problem.
let me know when it starts working
Status update: you're still being a big baby
your plan still hasn't even started to work
Then fucking help, stop asking to be special.
i'll be looking for a more effective solution, thank you.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
if it were effective it might be good. it's neither
That's cause you're letting the perfect be the enemy of it. You shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of actually trying either.
I'll try something that is effective
Being vegan is effective, it's just less effective than inflation when nobody does it
which animal wasnt killed because of your shopping habits? where is it now?
what effect has being vegan had?
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Her name is Daisy, and she used to be a cow egg and a cow sperm. In a parallel universe where I ate meat, her sperm half was forcibly injected up her mother's snatch, she was born, fed high fructose hormone rich corn slop to accelerate her growth, living in her own shit in a factory farm that was barely cleaned. She didn't run once in her sad life, and one day she was improperly stunned by an overworked and traumatized slaughterhouse worker, before being butchered while fully conscious until the pain caused her death.
In this universe, Daisy was never born, because an accountant at the local grocery store decided to reduce the store's order by a tiny fraction one month, and that was enough that the factory farm's business manager decided to birth one less cow that year, to save money.
no, do you have a plan to make that happen?
So you're saying your purchasing of meat contributes towards animal agriculture
I doubt it. I bet if I died tomorrow, more meat would be sold next year than this year, and evenore the year after.
I bet more meat is sold next year in the timeline where you live than in the timeline where you die.
how can you prove something like that?