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[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 141 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

He's such a pervert.

Says he'd date his daughter if she wasnt his daughter

Marries a woman who does soft porn shoots

Rapes a child and then the case 'disappears'

Gets charged for sexual assault and then slanders the woman who won the case. Ordered to pay her over 80 million in damages which of course he wont

Sexually assaulted a woman who was trying out for the Apprentice

Says 'you can grab them by the pussy'

His first wife accused him of rape during their divorce proceedings

TWENTY FIVE women have publicly accused him of sexual assault. One or two could be a conspiracy but 25?!!

This perverted asshole should be behind bars NOT pretending to be king of America.

[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 80 points 3 weeks ago

To be clear, there's nothing wrong with marrying a woman who does soft porn. It's only worth mentioning in the context of the rest of the stuff.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 63 points 3 weeks ago

To me, it's only "worth" mentioning in the context of political hypocrisy.

Outside of that, I don't like it being demonized either.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's worth mentioning not because it's objectionable, but because how he sees it is objectionable.

[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In your humble opinion, sure. I know a lot of guys who wouldn't date a porn 'star' because they usually have other issues that make them undateable. And Im speaking from experience. I worked with sex workers for five years in a street outreach in a major city. Every single one of those girls/guys were there because of bad circumstances in their lives - and it was very often abuse or drugs that kept them locked into sex work. The whole idea that its a victimless job if you do it online is a joke. Its a sick world and it only destroys people's souls in the long run. Only the inexperienced and horny men want to believe there are no personal consequences. There most definitely are.

[-] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 weeks ago

That is not a problem with sex work, it’s the lack of protection and regulation causing that symptom.

You same problems in other professions that are not respected by society.

I think the root cause is free capitalism with only minor regulations. This grows into oligarchy cancer real fast.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

First, she wasn't some prostitute on the street. She was a model who did some nude modeling. I don't recall her ever having done sex work.

Second, like the other person says, it's because those jobs lack protections and support, and are looked down on by our society. Only the most desperate end up in those positions usually. The problems aren't cause by the sex work. Rather the sex work is done because they have problems, and the problems surrounding the job compound these issues.

[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

She was a nude model AND she ran in the same circles as Epstein and Maxwell AND she ended up with Pedo Donnie and you dont think she did sex work? That woman sold her soul to get with Donnie and given all the testimony from other women about how degrading Donnie treated them, she worked HARD to get to be his side piece and then wife. I feel sorry for her.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Eh, maybe. Not what the person above was saying. They said soft-core porn. She did nude modeling. She may have also done sex work in private, but we don't have any evidence of that. Regardless of if she did or didn't, the above comment is wrong (or purposefully misleading —maybe some would say nude modeling is soft-core porn) about their claim.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 59 points 3 weeks ago

Including "Marries a woman who does soft porn shoots" is a little sad, there's nothing wrong with that. Everything else on that list is fucking heinous though

[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

Well might be ok with you, but I think the average woman has more respect for herself than doing porn shoots and I certainly wouldn't date someone who didn't have a higher standard than that. All those girls doing Only Fans are finding out the hard way that it comes back to bite you in the long run.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 29 points 3 weeks ago

Sex work is real work. It takes no less respect for oneself to do sex work than it does to do any other work. The only reason it "comes back to bite" people is because society still stigmatises sex workers.

[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

And WHY does society stigmatize sex workers? Because its degrading to women, its manipulative, and its generally used by men who USE people for their own gratification which is completely disrespectful. NO women (or man) ever grew up as a child thinking "I sure hope I can be a sex worker some day" because its a job of last resort.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 25 points 3 weeks ago

Nobody grew up wanting to be a sewer worker but you aren't running around the internet saying they're lacking self respect

[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Are sewer workers USED (and often abused) by other people for their own pleasure when they do their work? Completely different scenario.

The only people who think sex work is fine are those who dont do it and havent talked in depth to someone who has. I spent five years on the street making friends with girls and boys who did it to survive. There is NOTHING good about it. NOTHING. Its degrading, its soul crushing. Its VERY often accompanied by physical or psychological abuse which is why sex workers kept 'bad date' lists to warn other workers of the really creepy guys. Its a horrible way to make money but they did it because they didnt have any other way to survive. Next time you have rose colored glasses on about sex work, give me a call and Ill put you in touch with a 12 yr old girl who was pimped out by her 16 yr old sister and you can have a long discussion about the joys of sex work. Or with a 16 yr old boy who ran away from home and ended up getting sodomized by a man in a park because he needed 40 bucks to get a meal. Its really glamorous stuff, everyone loves it.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 25 points 3 weeks ago

And you think these issues are limited to sex work? You don't think office workers are used and abused by c-suite?

I have friends who do sex work, but you're free to lecture me all you like since you're the expert, allegedly.

Part of the massive issues in sex work is to do with poor rights and protections for sex workers, because it is stigmatised and not seen as real work. Obviously trafficking and child abuse are unacceptable but they are not inherent to the job, they are an issue in the same way child labour is in many other fields. There are simply more protections in place in other fields to prevent it from happening as much.

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[-] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Has it ever occured to you that those abuses happen because of people's attempts to delegitimize it? Despite attempts to make it illegal or to otherwise shame those who participate in it, it hasn't ceased to exist for as long as humanity has existed. Prohibition didn't make people stop drinking alcohol, it just created more crime and unsafe scenarios. Drug use being illegal doesn't stop overdose. The fentanyl crisis is a direct result of drugs only being available from non-legitimate sources. Onlyfans has created a very safe space for sex work. It's not perfect but it is leaps and bounds better than an alternative where it is illegal.

I believe your experience that everyone you met on the streets found it to be degrading. Have you ever thought that was because of the environment that you were in? Sex work performed by homeless people usually only exists because no legal alternative exists for their clients. Also it becomes a last resort for income for desperate people and as a result can put them in not safe scenarios.

As far as it being degrading, that's also attributed to the unsafe conditions that many women and men are forced to work under. It really isn't hard to find sex workers who are proud of their life style and live happy lives due to their success in the industry. Unfortunately they are in the minority because of all of my previous points listed. Most of the negatives that you talk about are a direct result of your and others shaming, not anything that is inherently wrong or immoral with sex work itself.

[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

Has it ever occured to you that those abuses happen because of people’s attempts to delegitimize it?

No, I dont believe that anyone is trying to DE-legitimize it, because its never been legitimate. Yes, prostitution has been around for a long time, but its never been an honorable way to make money, its always been looked down on because people know inherently that selling your body for money isn't good for anyone. Its soul crushing and degrading and no matter how many 'happy' OnlyFans out there, no one WANTS to continue doing it into their later adult years. There are lots of mental gymnastics people do to try and accept all the bad choices theyve made but that doesnt make them good choices, it just helps them survive.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

No, I dont believe that anyone is trying to DE-legitimize it, because its never been legitimate. Yes, prostitution has been around for a long time...

It's literally called "the oldest profession."

but its never been an honorable way to make money, its always been looked down on because people know inherently that selling your body for money isn't good for anyone.

There's never been an honorable way to make money. We sell ourselves to others so that we can survive. There's nothing honorable about it. You're only OK with selling certain things and not others. Selling your health, youth, time, etc. is fine in your opinion, but selling sex isn't for some reason?

It's also not always been looked down on. You just have a short and narrow view of history. Check out the wiki page for the history of prostitution. It's wide and varied. In particular, Christians and Muslims have an issue with it. I'm assuming you think that your understanding is the understanding that has always been, and that it must be innately human because you must be correct. I'd recommend you reconsider that belief. Many people, now and in the past, disagree with you, and you shouldn't do things like voting with the intent to push your view on others.

[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

you shouldn’t do things like voting with the intent to push your view on others.

Dear lord, have you heard of this thing called democracy? Thats EXACTLY why we vote.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

No, I vote to make things better for everyone, not because I think people are going against my morals. Get out of here with that. I vote to protect people's rights to do things I don't agree with, if they don't harm anyone/anything else. No one should be voting because they want to push their morals on others. That's authoritarian.

Why do you think your morals are superior to others? You can disagree with them, and that's great. To think you should remove their freedoms because you don't want to do something is wrong. Follow your moral code. Don't force others to follow it. If you want, try to convince them. Don't use force because you're an asshole with a superiority complex. If your morals actually are better then people will agree with you without the need to pass laws restricting freedoms.

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[-] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Selling your health, youth, time, etc. is fine in your opinion, but selling sex isn’t for some reason?

You honestly think that selling your time to make money is the same as selling your BODY to make money? Please tell me your not serious about that. There are barter systems where people exchange their labor for goods without any money involved, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a system where people sell their body for goods on regular basis.

So exactly how does one provide for one's need for food clothing and shelter if they DONT want to sell their time? Live in the woods and forage for berries?

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Again, selling your body is working in manual labor more than sex work. You literally destroy your body for it. Sex work doesn't.

There are barter systems where people exchange their labor for goods without any money involved, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a system where people sell their body for goods on regular basis.

I've seen people need surgery for their knees by 30 because they sold their body to lift cargo. It happens incredibly regularly. As for sex work, also incredibly regularly, which I wouldn't describe as "selling your body" but it is using your body for a service. It's not being damaged or losing value though.

So exactly how does one provide for one's need for food clothing and shelter if they DONT want to sell their time? Live in the woods and forage for berries?

OK, first you're implying I said you can't sell yourself for money. I didn't say that. You did. I just pointed out that we all do it. You only had an issue with it in regard to sex work, but for some reason don't care for other work that takes so much more from us for less in return.

Second, there are alternative systems to capitalism that don't require you to self yourself for survival. It isn't a requirement for life. To see how capitalists see us, the people at work how interact with us are called human resource managers. We're a resource to be consumed and spent to generate profit for the comoany. You're just diluded into thinking that's fine, but people can't choose to do the same with sex work. Why not?

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[-] Likwidkat@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Have you heard of a sweatshop?

[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago

Stop trying to control women.

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[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago

Leave women and what they do, legaly, alone. Thank you.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

Meanwhile you're probably perfectly OK with people selling their body to do labor I assume?

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[-] YaksDC@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

I absolutely agree with everything you said, and I also wholeheartedly agree that the orange idiot is a pervert and most likely a pedophile. However, being with a person who has worked as a sex worker does not make someone a pervert.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Hell, even if 24 were a conspiracy, just the last remaining one makes him a rapist. And at least one was held up in court.

Our country should not be run by a rapist.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Suppresses Epstein list for completely unknown and certainly not ulterior motives.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago

he raped his wife, whos is now buried at his golf resort for tax purposes.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

I am not sure what to highlight from there, but there's a lot of info here: https://medium.com/@mistagrinch/an-unsettling-pattern-a-comprehensive-look-at-trumps-sexual-controversies-and-underworld-a876887ecd85

There's also sources, which might be worth checking. There's at least one unconfirmed thing from some Washington post draft that was later removed from the final article.
The only response about it seems fo be "We (or the Washington Post Writers Group, our affiliated syndicate) edit every column to try to make it as good as it can be. We don't think it would be fair to our writers to discuss the editing process, and don't see what is to be gained by talking about things that are not published — there are countless drafts that never see the light of day."

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