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I lived in china for 4 years and Winnie has Def never been outlawed. Chinese censorship is much more sophisticated than "hey, that's illegal." There's not a list of pictures or memes or phrases that if you're caught with you'll get a visit from the police. No no no. There are hundreds of thousands of people monitoring social media for the latest "subversive" trends. When a new trend develops that content is blacklisted and just not allowed to be spread. You'll send your friend a picture and it never shows up on their phone. There's no indication on your end that it didn't send or they didn't get it. You can have this content on your phone, the CCP doesn't care. They care about it spreading. And you'll never get in trouble for trying to spread it because the system doesn't allow it to spread.
That's actually kinda cool in a techno dyatopian kinda way.
I was going to say horrifying.
Yeah it is horrifying but it is a cool concept. Ofc you'll know something is off when your friend doesn't respond to what you sent them.
If that was the only thing they censored then I don't think as many people would mind
When they find out the extent of the censorship they mind very much. But that's the problem, the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of the Chinese never find out how extensive it is, because it's not just your WeChat, it's ALL MEDIA. The Chinese don't have access to over 90% of the internet, so they never find out what's out there or know what information they're missing.
And you're just trading one dystopian nightmare for another. Saying one is better than the other is like saying having a foot cut off is better than losing a kidney. There is nuance, they're both bad.
Have you considered it's actually the other way around?
The problem is the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of westerners never find out how extensive it is, because it’s not just your nazi.world, it’s ALL MEDIA.
Yes. But like I said, I lived there for years. True, the western media gets a lot of things wrong. But china is heavily censored, there's no way around that reality.
Buddy, I lived there for years. My sources are the hundreds of Chinese people I spoke to in their native tongue for years. Not the propaganda from my country. True, SOME Chinese people have VPNs. Most do not.
And I think the more poignant question is this. Why do they need a VPN to access the wider internet in the first place?
Seems more like Huxley than Orwell.
They get you with inconvenience instead of brute force.
stop talking about novels like they're historical studies or facts
Getting too close to comfort for you?
no, it's a novel, it's a work of fiction, not a piece of theory or history that you can quote, the ending and the world is entirely built by the writer, there's no study it's literally arguments made up by the writer based on no sources or research, anyone can write a dystopian story, I could write a dystopian story and quote it right now, it's not argument, it's stupid.
You know, in my novel of people who quote novels ending up as nazis, you do resemble it a lot.
/\ as valid as using a novel like 1984 or animal farm or whatever else as an argument
1984 and Brave New World are allegories based on real life social observations and events. So, yes, they are based on history. They are famous for a reason. It is just that you find it too close to comfort.
my 3 sentence novel is also based on observing you.
Yes, anyone right of you is a Nazi.
How original. Pulitzer prize winning.
Looks like you found it too close for comfort
Anyone who criticizes your usage of novels as meaning anything got hit close home
They're famous because the US regime uses them to indoctrinate children in their flag pledging factories
I don't think I heard Americans pledge in the name of Huxley and Orwell.
are you being deliberately stupid as a joke right now?
Aren’t they though, at this point?
go back to reddit.
How dare people use novels used to express political thoughts when political topics come up.
That happens to me on YouTube; the only way I can talk to some people is on rednote.
Can't they use stuff like signal or simplex to communicate. How they going to decrypt the msg and the app simple x is open source. Until they are not seeing what app you have in the system it should not be a problem
Those apps are blocked. Your apps have to be unencrypted to be distributed in China. If you can get a VPN that works you can use them.