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submitted 2 weeks ago by pete_link@lemmy.ml to c/palestine@lemmy.ml

by Caitlin Johnstone
Jul 18, 2025

It’s 2025. Israeli soldiers are telling the Israeli press that they’re being ordered to massacre starving civilians trying to obtain food from aid centers. Countless doctors have been telling the world that Israeli snipers are routinely, deliberately shooting children in the head and chest throughout the Gaza Strip. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and all the leading genocide experts and human rights authorities are saying that a genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza. The New York fucking Times just published an op-ed by a Zionist genocide scholar who’s finally admitting that it’s a genocide.

There’s no way to deny what this is anymore. If you still support Israel in the year 2025, it’s not because you don’t believe Israel is committing horrific atrocities. It’s because you believe those horrific atrocities are good, and you want to see more of them.

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[-] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

Is it still auntiesemitic to say death to israel now

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

There are millions of people who live in Israel who aren't on board with their government's slaughter of innocents. We should be talking about stopping them, sanctioning them even. But calling for death is no better than the people egging on their genocidal policies towards Palestinians.

So, yes. It is 100% antisemitic to say "death to Israel". It's not antisemitic to say, "we must stop Israel and restore peace".

[-] gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 2 weeks ago

They're not calling for more human deaths, they're calling for the death of the STATE of Israel. If a government is perpetuating genocide it is certainly reasonable to wish for the dismantling of that government entity.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

I mean sure, but they always had the option of using language that doesn't contain that ambiguity.

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck your language, they've been slaughtering babies for two years. Death to the genocidal state, death to the IDF, death to apartheid. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

[-] DropBear@theblower.au 5 points 2 weeks ago

@skisnow is probably just trying to silence voices that they don't want heard, @3abas

#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#genocide
#Palestine
#Israel
#Gaza

[-] DropBear@theblower.au 5 points 2 weeks ago

And you "always had the option" of being culturally sensitive @skisnow
I gather that "death to" comes about in translation to English from Arabic/Islamic cultures.

A state or organisation is not alive. It can't "die". The "death" therefore must be figurative. "Death to America" is not the same as "Death to Americans", for example. "Death to Israel" and "Death to the IDF" are not calls to harm a living being.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/are-israelis-jews-returning-to-jewish-minority-life/
@pete_link
@AlHouthi4President
@buddascrayon
@gallopingsnail
@palestine@a.gup.pe
@palestine@lemmy.ml

#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#genocide
#Palestine
#Israel
#Gaza

"Anyone wishing to understand how the Holocaust was possible, how people who may be warm and kind in their personal lives could support the murder of an entire population deemed subhuman, should examine Israeli society." "... the zionist project, culminating in Israel, is profoundly contrary to Jewish traditions ... Israel has suppressed these Jewish traditions and ways of living while hijacking parts of them when convenient." "... the dismantling of Israel and the liberation of Palestine must also be a Jewish struggle — a struggle that should go far beyond Jews showing solidarity for Palestinians or simply not wanting to be oppressors. “Israeli” is a colonial identity that should be renounced, not just because it harms Palestinians but also because it is deeply anti-Jewish." — Yarden Katz

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

“Death to America” is not the same as “Death to Americans”, for example

And it's a terrible example, because it also has been used before now by supporters of terrorist attacks on US civilians.

[-] DropBear@theblower.au 6 points 2 weeks ago

If you're determined to take offence @skisnow then I guess nobody can stop you.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not taking offense, I'm just saying that if you use inflammatory phrasing you can't turn around and surprised pikachu face when some people take it the "wrong" way.

[-] genosidevoterz@lemmings.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Maybe i don't care about the feelings of genociders. You don't waste time arguing with pedophiles about the virtue of raping kids.

You use violence

[-] DropBear@theblower.au 4 points 2 weeks ago

Such intolerance is much of the problem @skisnow
Reacting within our narrow framework, neglecting to account for the vagaries of translation.
@palestine

#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#genocide
#Palestine
#Israel
#Gaza

[-] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

"Peace"

77 years of "peaceful" extermination displacement and genocide

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

You're not wrong, regardless of what ultimately happens the Palestinian people need to be protected but I stand by my initial statement.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

'millions' is BS
The protesters just are against Netanyahu for internal selfish reasons.
They don't give a fuck about Palestinians.
Like the rat Sanders always talking specifically about 'the Netanyahu government' as the culprit.
Creating the ilusion that after he's gone it will be a democracy again to be supported while they always have been murderous scum.

And “death to Israel” is not antisemitic.
The illegal state shouldn't exist, so it should definitely die.
Conflating shitrael with all jews is OC the tired and obvious cheap hasbara trick. Nice try tho.

DEATH TO ISRAEL!!

[-] EverXIII@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Millions of people? Where in Israel?. Death to Israel!!!

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