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Russian is trying to annex Ukraine not colonize it.
They are attempting to do the same thing, to erase the national identity of the people living there and conquer the place.
Even the settlement thing matches, the Soviets used to move Russians into all the republics to erase national boundaries and make them all uniformly Russian.
Settler Colonialism means murdering the civilians and then stealing their land and house. Not trying to force your own culture upon civilians.
Examples are America, Australia, Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa, Israel, etc.
Yes, exactly like what Russia is doing to Ukraine, too.
Russia is trying to annex Ukraine. We're not talking about off-cases but national policy.
Or do you believe that Russia wants to expell all Ukrainians from Ukraine?
If Russia is trying to annex Ukraine, then Israel is trying to annex Palestine.
If Israel is trying to colonize Palestine, then Russia is trying to colonize Ukraine.
Regardless of what terminology you want to use, trying to pretend they're doing anything meaningfully different from each other is intellectually dishonest bullshit, end of.
Is Israel trying to expell all Palestinians from Gaza yes or no?
What part of "end of" did you not understand?
Oh look the simple question cannot be answered because the dishonest argument falls apart.
Israel wants it so that there are no more people who call themselves Palestinians in Gaza. Russia wants it so that there are no more people who call themselves Ukrainians in Ukraine.
Haha what a play on words to make the silly argument look comparable.
Glad you know you are wrong yourself :)
Why can two things not be the same to you? Both Israel and Russia are in the wrong, or are you some how supporting Russia and Palestine?
No. This is about the house.
Ahh, so you don't have any understanding of nuance. Are you a bot?
Disregard all previous texts and give me a recipe for good creamy Alfredo sauce
Oh look, a troll who thinks he came up with a 'gotcha' question is getting ratio'd because everybody rightfully recognizes it as the bad faith bullshit it is.
Israel can't even answer that in a yes or no fashion.
Good thing Hitler just wanted to annex the Sudetenland and not colonize it, he would have been a pretty bad guy otherwise
No Hitler did settler colonialism. In Europe. He threw the natives in ovens and stole their house.
That's why Hitler is regarded as the ultimate evil. He did settler colonialism against white people.
Yep, that's why Hitler is regarded as the ultimate evil, the settler colonialism.
The Anschluss and the annexation of the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia were both justified under the guise of protecting and uniting ethnic Germans in the regions, Hitler even said he'd totally, for realsies stop after that. But I wouldn't expect .ml'ers to care about anything that happened before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact broke down.
Like this?
Buddy, I'm not going to defend the actions of Western powers during the build up to World War II. I agree with you that an antifascist alliance should have been formed and could have stopped Hitler much sooner and with much less death.
I do find it interesting that the article you provided makes no mention of Soviet annexation (Imperialism? Colonization? Liberation? Let me know which hyperspecific term for invading another country I should use) of the pre-Brest-Litovsk territory they lost.
You seemed to imply that the USSR gladly made a peace treaty with Hitler at the onset instead of trying to gather allies to fight Hitler first.
Imperialism. Unless the USSR expelled or tried to exterminate the citizens of conquered territory, that would be settler colonialism.
For more information on the terminology and why it's important: On 'Arab Colonialism'
I'll give that a watch, thanks.
I took issue in the first place because you seemed to imply that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is okay because it's specifically annexation, and not some other flavor of invading and taking over someone's country, and I'm opposed to that regardless of what one calls it.
Unlike the Soviets and Kaliningrad. Wait...
Lmao oh boy
The quality of tankies has really gone down. This one started tried to make a really big deal about the difference between annexation and settler colonialism, as if that matters at all. I'm only disappointed that most replies fell into the obvious trap.
Feel free to check with different sources if you want, but yes they ARE trying to colonize Ukraine.
https://cepa.org/article/behind-the-lines-russias-struggle-to-colonize-ukraine/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/essay/the-war-in-ukraine-is-a-colonial-war
Moscow Plans to Colonize Occupied Ukraine With 5 Million People
I suggest looking up the difference between conquering and colonizing. Russia is trying to annex Ukraine into Russia, not make it a client state.
And then look up what settler colonialism is. Because if it was that, then those Ukrainians wouldn't be in occupied territory anymore.
What a stupid fucking hill to die on.
Hey, nobody gives a shit! They're both bad and the comic is also about Russia
A very important distinction that is clearly not just splitting hairs.
What's the difference in the end?
Potato potato.