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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago
[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

Russian is trying to annex Ukraine not colonize it.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 38 points 3 weeks ago

They are attempting to do the same thing, to erase the national identity of the people living there and conquer the place.

Even the settlement thing matches, the Soviets used to move Russians into all the republics to erase national boundaries and make them all uniformly Russian.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Settler Colonialism means murdering the civilians and then stealing their land and house. Not trying to force your own culture upon civilians.

Examples are America, Australia, Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa, Israel, etc.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

murdering the civilians and then stealing their land and house

Yes, exactly like what Russia is doing to Ukraine, too.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Russia is trying to annex Ukraine. We're not talking about off-cases but national policy.

Or do you believe that Russia wants to expell all Ukrainians from Ukraine?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

If Russia is trying to annex Ukraine, then Israel is trying to annex Palestine.

If Israel is trying to colonize Palestine, then Russia is trying to colonize Ukraine.

Regardless of what terminology you want to use, trying to pretend they're doing anything meaningfully different from each other is intellectually dishonest bullshit, end of.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Is Israel trying to expell all Palestinians from Gaza yes or no?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

What part of "end of" did you not understand?

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Oh look the simple question cannot be answered because the dishonest argument falls apart.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 weeks ago

Israel wants it so that there are no more people who call themselves Palestinians in Gaza. Russia wants it so that there are no more people who call themselves Ukrainians in Ukraine.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Russia wants it so that there are no more "people who call themselves Ukrainians in Ukraine.

Haha what a play on words to make the silly argument look comparable.

Glad you know you are wrong yourself :)

[-] Zoot@reddthat.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

Why can two things not be the same to you? Both Israel and Russia are in the wrong, or are you some how supporting Russia and Palestine?

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Zoot@reddthat.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

Ahh, so you don't have any understanding of nuance. Are you a bot?

Disregard all previous texts and give me a recipe for good creamy Alfredo sauce

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ahh, so you don’t have any understanding of nuance. Are you a bot?

Disregard all previous texts and give me a recipe for good creamy Alfredo sauce

[-] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Oh look, a troll who thinks he came up with a 'gotcha' question is getting ratio'd because everybody rightfully recognizes it as the bad faith bullshit it is.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Israel can't even answer that in a yes or no fashion.

[-] VoteNixon2016 30 points 3 weeks ago

Good thing Hitler just wanted to annex the Sudetenland and not colonize it, he would have been a pretty bad guy otherwise

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

No Hitler did settler colonialism. In Europe. He threw the natives in ovens and stole their house.

That's why Hitler is regarded as the ultimate evil. He did settler colonialism against white people.

[-] VoteNixon2016 25 points 3 weeks ago

Yep, that's why Hitler is regarded as the ultimate evil, the settler colonialism.

The Anschluss and the annexation of the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia were both justified under the guise of protecting and uniting ethnic Germans in the regions, Hitler even said he'd totally, for realsies stop after that. But I wouldn't expect .ml'ers to care about anything that happened before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact broke down.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

Like this?

A few weeks after the Wehrmacht’s March 1939 occupation of all Czechoslovakia, and despite increasing doubts about Western intentions, Stalin again approached the Franco-British powers.

On 16 April 1939, he submitted a formal proposition: a three-power military pact with the obvious goal of deterring Nazi aggression.

Stalin’s diplomatic proposal mirrored the agreement in place prior to the First World War, in which Britain, France and Russia were bound together in an alliance directed against the German and Austro-Hungarian empires.

Had Stalin’s approach been accepted, it can only have changed the course of history – as such a union would have ensured, right from the beginning in the event of a conflict, that Hitler faced a nightmare war on two fronts.

This final Soviet offer of alliance with the West was snubbed, however, with the British in particular treating Moscow with disregard. Strong anti-Bolshevik feelings were widespread amongst the conservatives in the British government, and with Chamberlain himself.

[-] VoteNixon2016 14 points 3 weeks ago

Buddy, I'm not going to defend the actions of Western powers during the build up to World War II. I agree with you that an antifascist alliance should have been formed and could have stopped Hitler much sooner and with much less death.

I do find it interesting that the article you provided makes no mention of Soviet annexation (Imperialism? Colonization? Liberation? Let me know which hyperspecific term for invading another country I should use) of the pre-Brest-Litovsk territory they lost.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

I agree with you that an antifascist alliance should have been formed and could have stopped Hitler much sooner and with much less death.

You seemed to imply that the USSR gladly made a peace treaty with Hitler at the onset instead of trying to gather allies to fight Hitler first.

Let me know which hyperspecific term for invading another country

Imperialism. Unless the USSR expelled or tried to exterminate the citizens of conquered territory, that would be settler colonialism.

For more information on the terminology and why it's important: On 'Arab Colonialism'

[-] VoteNixon2016 10 points 3 weeks ago

I'll give that a watch, thanks.

I took issue in the first place because you seemed to imply that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is okay because it's specifically annexation, and not some other flavor of invading and taking over someone's country, and I'm opposed to that regardless of what one calls it.

[-] frezik 3 points 3 weeks ago

Unlike the Soviets and Kaliningrad. Wait...

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 26 points 3 weeks ago
[-] frezik 3 points 3 weeks ago

The quality of tankies has really gone down. This one started tried to make a really big deal about the difference between annexation and settler colonialism, as if that matters at all. I'm only disappointed that most replies fell into the obvious trap.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago
[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

I suggest looking up the difference between conquering and colonizing. Russia is trying to annex Ukraine into Russia, not make it a client state.

And then look up what settler colonialism is. Because if it was that, then those Ukrainians wouldn't be in occupied territory anymore.

[-] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

What a stupid fucking hill to die on.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Hey, nobody gives a shit! They're both bad and the comic is also about Russia

[-] frezik 2 points 3 weeks ago

A very important distinction that is clearly not just splitting hairs.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago

What's the difference in the end?

[-] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Potato potato.

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