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Who Remember This? We Also Broadcasted It Live To Schoolrooms (lemmy.ml)

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 months ago

The soviet space program took fewer lives than the US's program, yet the US constantly made it seem like it was the soviets that didn't care about human lives.

[-] Bldck@beehaw.org 8 points 3 months ago

I mean… not really.

🛰️ Space Race Fatalities Comparison: Soviet Union vs United States

Aspect	🇺🇸 United States	🇷🇺 Soviet Union
Total astronaut/cosmonaut deaths	9–10 (incl. test/training accidents)	8 (official)
On-mission fatalities	3 (Apollo 1, ground test)	4 (Soyuz 1, Soyuz 11)
Training/test deaths (astronauts)	6+ (e.g. Theodore Freeman, C.C. Williams)	4+ (e.g. Valentin Bondarenko, others possibly unacknowledged)
Deaths among ground personnel	<10	100+ (notably the Nedelin disaster)
Transparency	High (accidents publicized and investigated)	Low (many incidents hidden until after 1989)
Major catalyst event	Apollo 1 fire	Soyuz 1, Nedelin disaster

Key Takeaways

🇺🇸 U.S. suffered more astronaut fatalities, including test pilots and training accidents.
🇷🇺 Soviets had higher total human losses, especially among engineers and soldiers during explosive launch and fuel testing incidents.
🔥 The Apollo 1 fire led to sweeping design and safety reforms in NASA.
🚨 The Soyuz 1 and Soyuz 11 tragedies were fatal in-flight accidents; Soyuz 11 remains the only in-space human fatality.
🕵️ The Nedelin disaster, one of the worst rocket catastrophes in history, killed over 100 but was kept secret for decades.
🧾 Transparency and institutional accountability were key differences: NASA publicly investigated accidents; the USSR often concealed failures.

[-] josefo@leminal.space 35 points 3 months ago

God I hate AI

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You can certainly blur the space race with missile development as they were intimately tied on both sides, and if you want to include it then the deaths from the US ICBM disasters need to be included as well, but I do think it's a bit absurd to uncritically report that 100+ people died in Nedelin when official numbers revealed it to be 54. Plus, wherever you sourced this from is clearly generally biased against the soviets beyond the scope of this report.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 months ago

grok is this true

[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 9 points 3 months ago

It's true that all deaths on both sides were caused by people with JEWISH names. Coincidence? Not likley. Hitler killed less people. Elon is god. Sieg. Sieg!1!!!1

Grok, probably

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Nobody asked.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Gotcha, I'll be sure to only repeat word for word what's in the post. No new angles, no new ways of looking at the post content, just a single 👏 emoji.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Every single comment I see from you is in some way pro Russian, you're a very one note commenter.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Can you elaborate? I'm certainly very pro-Soviet, as I'm a communist. I don't hide that. I'm pro-communism, I support the PRC, Cuba, AES in general. The main purpose of my Lemmy.ml account is to talk about socialism and communism through a Marxist-Leninist lens.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

I'm very anti-NATO, like the vast majority of Marxists, and I don't fall for the hysteria around the Russian Federation as some ultimate evil, though,

You in another comment. The Russian federation is currently occupying multiple neighbouring countries, bombing civilians, and generally having a war crime of a time. And you're saying they're not evil?

You're off the deep end, my friend.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Eastern Ukraine, the Donbass region, is very pro-Russia and very anti-Ukraine. Western Ukraine was shelling them for a decade, post-2014 coup, due to the hard shift from being aligned with Russia to being aligned with NATO. For these citizens, Russian presence is a good thing. Western Ukraine certainly hates that Russia has invaded, but the "hysteria" I am referring to is the kind that thinks even Eastern Ukraine opposes the Russian Federation.

So no, this isn't a "pro-Russian" stance, in my opinion. Recognizing western-Ukraine's shelling of civilians in eastern-ukraine for a decade, and the overwhelming support for Russian annexation of the Donbass region among Donbass residents in Donetsk and Luhansk, is something that even pro-NATO people need to recognize in order to figure out how to best deal with that underlying fact.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

I can't believe you've fallen for the "dey dombed bombas" story, you really are that brainwashed. All of Ukraine voted to leave Russia, most of it quite overwhelmingly.

And there was no coup, that was entirely orchestrated by Russia.

You really need to read some media from outside your bubble.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

New York Times, reporting on Kiev using cluster bombs in the Donbass region in 2014

According to wikipedia, the vast majority of the donbass region voted for independence from Ukraine.

Wikipedia article, going over the Euromaidan coup from a pro-western perspective

Vice news, 9 years ago, in the Donetsk People's Republic

All of these are pro-Western sources that do a better job of acknowledging the reality of the situation better than you do. You seem to not only only accept pro-western news, but exclusively pro-western news that goes against the western consensus on the Donbass Region.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Pro-Russia separatists in Donetsk were found with 100,000 pre-marked ‘Yes’ ballots the day before the vote.[35][36][37]

From the Wikipedia article you clearly didn't read.

I'm embarrassed for you.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh don't worry, I read it. Pro-western outlets like Kyiv Post reported that story, while at the same time failing to produce evidence that the referendums were unpopular after all.

The Donbass region is largely pro-Russian, and is ethnically Russian.
The Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics have been fighting Kyiv for a decade
Kyiv has been shelling Donetsk and Luhansk for a decade.

All of these are not only widely reported in non-western media, but also acknowledged by western media as well. It's something the west and non-west can agree on, which means you rejecting it is akin to conspiracy theory.