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In Zohran Mamdani’s Win, Socialism Beat the Status Quo
(jacobin.com)
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I genuinely don't believe I've moved the goalposts, especially as I didn't argue anyone new in my last post.
Would you be able to explain to me how I moved them so I can better understand what you're seeing?
I can see that you’re attempting to be “neutral” but you’re using the same talking points in this thread as the corpo dems and media…
I’m not mad or upset with you or anything I promise
O. K. That's fair enough; "talking out of your ass" and "kiss copirate dems asses" felt more angry than anything but maybe that's just because "ass" was being used.
I feel like the points I've mentioned I've gotten the reasoning for more from political scientists (as I don't really care about the positions of the media or the corporate Dem.s) but it was never my intent to convince anyone of them; I was trying to explain why, if the Dem.s did back Cuomo, it wouldn't address the reasoning of someone who believes not voting third party in a presidential election (an attempt to understand the building blocks of that person's PoV, even if one thinks that PoV is garbage). It may just be how my brain works but understanding the mechanics of someone's reasoning, even if one would never agree with the conclusion, I find beneficial. Potentially because it helps to break apart their argument in a way they'd understand (though, of course, it can be hard to convince some people to change their minds).
But it's definitely not the most important thing here, in the end. The progressive (and exceedingly) better candidate won the nomination; (since I think that's something we both agree on wanting to have happened) I'm entirely much more enthusiastic about that outcome than anything else discussed in the thread.
Totally, I get a little animated and excited…
Yes I’m happy he won, I just hear the way they are treating him on the news and it’s a huge reminder that AIPAC is a detriment to our society, and we need to overturn citizens united very badly.
Yeah…; I absolutely get that (and share the sentiment). I don't want to speak too quickly (though, from everything I've seen, his odds look good‽) but I will definitely relish their reactions when he wins. It's about time NYC gets a decent mayor.
Sigh….. the part that pisses me off the most is that we lose so often… even though we have supermajorities of support on basically all of the major policy issues among both democrats AND republicans…..
Instead the media is always talking about bathrooms and sports and other really weird wedge issues… don’t read this the wrong way, lgbtq rights are super important, they are human rights 100%, but these issues affect only a small percent of the population,
whereas the economic policy issues that would solve so much of the underlying fear and hatred are just completely glossed over, even though every year multiple times a year another economic study indicates that neoliberal policy and general economic theory is just fundamentally wrong…..
I just hope the that this recent Gaza fucking genocide is waking folks up to the fact that our media, our politicians, our leaders, all of them are corrupt trash that need to be thrown out and cast aside, mocked even…