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If you willingly go to shoot up brown people halfway across the world, how innocent can you really be?
Bobby was solicited at 16 by an army recruiter that said he'd have a desk job and free college. Bobby is a mechanic in the states for 2 years, and sent on an overseas tour as infantry as soon as he turns 18. If he doesn't go, he'll be put in jail and dishonorably discharged.
This is the reality of our current recruitment efforts. The number of people that say "I want to shoot terrorists" is very low, and they get kicked out at the psych eval.
True, but that doesn't excuse Bobby shooting up brown people in the Middle East. Joining the military and being surprised when you're deployed to fight wars is pure FAFO.
It doesn't excuse it, but it definitely does explain why Bobby thought he was the good guy and the other people were bad guys. If you're only gonna pin the blame on Bobby, you're never gonna understand and fix the real problem. Bobby isn't just another guilty party. He's a victim of the psychopaths in power too.
I agree; I just wanted to push back against the idea that American soldiers who go invade countries halfway across the world for oil and genocide are innocent. Victims yes, but not innocent. Glorification and whitewashing of the military is part of how America got here.
Most people who join the military aren't doing it with the idea of protecting oil by committing genocide. The murderous types are frequently kicked out of basic training, for that reason. Most people who join believe that they are protecting their country from people who would do it harm. Before this current administration, there was still a sense that our leaders could be at least somewhat trusted to sometimes do the right thing.
Not the person that you're responding to, but I don't only pin the blame on Bobby. I acknowledge that the US Military propaganda hits hard, but Bobby still has agency.
Bobby absolutely has agency. But he has never had the privilege of an unbiased perspective free of weaponized propaganda.
"Yes, Bobby is a Nazi, but it's just how he was raised!'
Yes, that is exactly how Nazis are made. Pretending otherwise isn't going to fix the problem.
But there is a big difference between the average American soldier and fucking Nazis. If you can't tell the difference, you'll never be part of the solution to that problem.
If the alternative is killing some innocent villagers who didn't do anything, they should choose the prison sentence. They are still making a choice, even if that choice may have consequences trying to force them to the alternative.
While I don't fully disagree, dishonorable discharge is already effectively a sentence to starve to death on the streets. It makes it incredibly tough to get a job in the States, if not impossible in a lot of places. With the death of a thousand cuts to the welfare system and the fact that minorities and poor whites are overwhelmingly represented in the military, your choice narrows down to "either deploy or get beaten to death by cops in 5 years."
And Bobby might just be at a base in the region at the invitation of local government helping protect regional stability, not “shooting up brown people”. He is innocent yet now a legitimate target
You goof; the innocents won't be soldiers, or even just Americans. Innocent Iranians will be killed by American attacks while Innocent Americans will be killed by theirs. This war will escalate until Trump gives up, as it is not in Iran's best interest to deescalate. They seem ready for the long game, which is where their advantage lies.
Exactly! Like, I understand that the propaganda machine runs deep, but come on, it's not that hard to realize that joining the military means contributing to the deaths of innocents. I was targeted by a recruiter, and I told him to fuck right off.
it works, top gun Maverick convinced men to meet the quota of certain branches last year. When they were in a recruitment decline