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[-] kayky@thelemmy.club 2 points 6 days ago
[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You know that they put the sanctions on Russia right, even with a Republican Congress. Or do you forget how the sanctions were held until Trump came into office and stopped allowing the executive branch to uphold them?

[-] kayky@thelemmy.club 11 points 6 days ago

That means democrats would stand up to Israel?

This is what I mean by delusion. You people are so far gone you can't even realize it.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sanctioning Israel if they dropped a nuke on Iran? Absolutely. I'm not even a democrat but you are living in another world if you think they wouldn't. What realm of insanity are you living in.

Post a nuke being dropped Iran only gains sympathy for standing up for the Palestinians.

Democrat Congress members are idiots who were way behind on what their constituents wanted and had money funneled to them. But there is no way they would be able to support Israel after that and ever be elected again

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

They wouldn't even stop supporting Israel when they started committing a modern holocaust, let alone actually sanctioning them.

They were also perfectly happy to support Israel even if it stopped them getting elected.

If Israel nuked Iran, the Democrats would do some performative brow furrowing, call for Israel to show restraint, and send them another billion dollars

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you look at that chart, it even shows partly why. Sympathy for Palestinians didn't hit above 50% of the democratic party till 2024/2025. Which means those members elected were elected in a time of less than 50% support for Palestinians. Also sanctions as being discussed are made by Congress which has not had a Democrat majority since 2009. So there is not way they could have passed any sanctions the Republicans didn't negotiate to agree with. (Which those charts show less than 20% of Republicans having sympathy towards Palestinians at all times since 2001). So it would be career suicide for a Republican to vote for such, as their constituents don't want it.

If it were voted on again now, we would likely see 100% Republican Congress support for Israel and 40% support from Democrat Congress support, which is rediculous... But fairly accurate of how that graph would indicate.

[-] kayky@thelemmy.club 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah, you're just going to keep moving goalposts rather than admit you're wrong.

You did it once and I gave you a pass, but twice is inexcusable.

I'm going to ignore you now. Goodbye.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

And they didn't put sanctions on Israel. In fact, they sent them record amounts of free weapons

I know, that's the part where I said the Democrats congressmembers were slow and had been funneled money from Israel for their campaigns. When they were elected into office support for Israel was over 50% in the U.S. in 2023 it was still over 50% so it was borderline rediculous. In 2025, support for Israel is only over 50% by one of those 2 parties. As for the other guy saying I'm moving goal posts.... The post is about Israel having nukes and the media not mentioning them while discussing war with Iran, so I didn't find it off topic to say this was about Israel possibly using nukes on Iran, but oh well. We'll just have differing opinions.

Hope you have a good day

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

Democrats congressmembers were slow

They weren't slow, though; they were very swift in supporting Israel.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Okay, so support (not even support, just sympathy) according to that chart for Palestinians didn't pass 50% until 2024. The aid you are referring too started in 2023. So mid 2024 I would have expected to see about 50% democrats saying yes, 50% saying no. If less than 50% of Democrat Congressmembers voted against sending aid to Israel, then I would consider them slow on being up to date with their constituents wants.

The issue is if 100% Republicans vote aid, and 50% Democrats vote aid, you have a supermajority (~75%) still voting for aid to Israel.

Right now I imagine we would see it tottering on a supermajority, around 66-67 percent, but that's just hypothetical as there isnt a vote at the moment.

Edit: the only thing close we may see is the bill Tim Kaine just put forward to block U.S. support to Israel pertaining to sending strikes at Iran ourselves, which is obviously different, and hopefully will split some of the Republicans votes. That said, Trump can veto just like he did when Kaine tried to block Trump from sending strikes at Iran in 2020

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