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EU is planning a new mass surveillance law that includes mandating data retention, built-in backdoors, sanctioning non-compliant services and is asking you for feedback: Impact assessment on retention (ec.europa.eu)

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[-] Astella@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

Even as an American, this is terrifying. Everyone knows my country is shit, but I've always seen you guys as the gold standard and for this kind of thing to even be discussed over on your side of the pond is absolutely horrifying....

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

It's a specific group within the EU that's trying to do this.

Like those Project 2025 people.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This has widespread support under MEPs, accross party lines. It's only Germany and Poland that opposed it last time. (1)

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I think that was for Clientside scanning, not all the awful things this secretive group is trying to push.

[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

And Germany won't oppose this time because the government is righ wing as hell.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 5 points 2 months ago

always seen you guys as the gold standard

In the land of the blind

[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

If the bottom of the barrel is what you're trying to compare a golden coated shit is taking all the money.

[-] Astella@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Lol I mean, nobody is perfect, but you guys have things like freedom of movement (even between countries) and France and Germany pushing open source software forward for the sake of privacy, security, flexability and community. Plus, you guys seem to have a mindset of "until it's proven safe, it will be illigal" compared to our "until it is proven UNsafe, it will be legal". Maybe "gold standard" isn't the best term, but I feel like you guys have better way of thinking about the world

[-] iii@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I fear your glasses are tinted too rose. If you look at what they do instead of say, a different conclusion reveals itself.

Plus, you guys seem to have a mindset of "until it's proven safe, it will be illigal" compared to our "until it is proven UNsafe, it will be legal".

pushing open source software forward for the sake of privacy, security, flexability and community.

What happened instead was that bad governance made sure that there is little to no tech developed in the EU. We missed the 21st century tech boat.

Something they aim to "fix" the same way they always do: give money to professional grand receivers with the better political connections (example).

That failed, ofcourse, not in delivering grants, but in creating succesfull technology. So now they also try a new strategy: just fine foreign companies that they can't tax.

Still failing to address the original issues on why we aren't part of 21st century technology development. As addressing those issues would require them to look in the mirror.

[-] Astella@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Damn, you're probably right. I likely just see the good parts that differ from the shitty things about my country lol

How accurate is the FOSS part in practice?

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