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[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You're certainly entitled to you opinion, and we're chill on the same things, but I do think more industry -- especially the kind which are utilities -- should be nationalised. I'm even open to the abolishment of private property. But I think we need updated democracies (better representation, maybe try local direct democracy nodes?) before we start getting close to seriously considering these questions as policy.

And of course it may turn out that these solutions (nationalising, all property publicly owned, etc) aren't the best ones for human flourishing, so then we just course correct.

As long as we don't get tooo attached to any particular ideology, and focus on outcomes, I think we could make a much better world. Kind of borrowing the Meliorism aspect from liberal democracy and running with it here, I guess...

[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

i think a one of the largest problems with democracies nowadays is the influence of money on them. if that were removed we could actually move to a more reasonable world

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago

You're absolutely right. There's so much broken with our existing democracies at the higher levels (and municipally as well, I'm sure), that it is maybe too optimistic to try and extend to influence of the political class into more industries.

I have a hunch that workplace democracy (usually in the form of unions) is one of the lowest hanging fruits to improve the situation overall, and it's still hypothetically within our reach in much of the global North. That is, it's still a risk, but it's unlikely that the army will be called in the open fire on strikers (yet).

this post was submitted on 15 May 2025
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