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Kids born today are going to grow up in a hellscape, grim climate study finds
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You’d be horrible person to have them. Selfish.
Sorry for trying to find some purpose in this crappy life in the form of nurturing and caring for another person.
I think my kids will still be able to acknowledge that being born today is still far better than being born in basically any other time during the vast majority of human existence though.
Edit: Showed your comment to my daughter and she said "I'm happy to be alive, thanks very much"
I find purpose in helping those who already exist, in the service of preventing suffering.
That's great, I do that too
Your kids needs to suffer for you idiotic so called purpose. Get a hobby next time, go volunteer instead of dragging other souls down with you
Point me to a time in the past when there was no suffering please.
Around 4.5 billion years ago, at least on earth. The existence of suffering and its universality are good reasons for you to perpetuate it?
Existence is accompanied by suffering, yes. If you can't accept that, that's on you. If you wish for all life to cease because of your views, then you're the selfish one here.
Lol I accept that. although you seem to ignore it for your selfish reasons. My will is not important. I'm merely pointing the fact that your actions increase suffering for your own personal gain. Do with it what you will.
Edit - I'd also add that for many many poor creatures including humans, existence is not accompanied by suffering, but it is only suffering. You are delusional if you think you have the power to save your poor child from it
The vast majority of people (including yourself) seem to think that the suffering is worth putting up with for some strange reason though...
If life was nothing more than suffering then I don't think nearly as many people would have children. Fortunately many of us are able to get enough out of life to see it as being worthwhile. I'm sorry that's not the case for you.
You contradict yourself and make incorrect assumptions. My entire argument is to make the point that the suffering does not justify it. The majority does not hold my opinion. But I do agree it is stange to think it is justified.
I never said life is only suffering for everyone. Read my comments again. Also, my life is pretty good, I'm not complaining for myself, but for other voiceless souls. Are you able to see the world from a different point of view than your own? How the experience is like for others? From what you wrote I sincerely doubt that.
It is worthwhile for who? And who gets to decide? And can you guarantee your children it will be worth while? Can you guarantee it for all living creatures? It easy to talk when your life is full of privilege
Reproducing without control just cause you need purpose is morally wrong. Same as murdering someone for pleasure.
Enjoy you existence, hope you can live with the suffering you are causing and apathetic to. 🩷
You aren't selfish for having kids and doing your best to nurture them. We all share collective responsibility to take action for the issues our species face.
Some people think they can absolve themselves of responsibility and simply vote all the problems away, but the people they are voting in barely have the energy to acknowledge or even address the issues, let alone work towards actual solutions.
I don't think that people having kids are selfish either. It's just one of those things you see so often regarding the issue of climate change. The people espousing that view are simply using it as an easy out to absolve themselves of any responsibility in my opinion.
Educating and preparing younger generations to address the issues they will face is unfortunately the most likely way to resolve such issues, and I've chosen to take that challenge upon myself despite how difficult and costly it is to raise children now compared to when my parents had me.
These people just have no hope. They have given up on humanity. They are preparing themselves for the worst.
We can choose differently. We can look to what is in our power to mitigate suffering. We can raise awareness and take direct action.
Well, you say that now but the water wars have already started, and your kids won’t qualify to emigrate. You should educate them of survival skills and firearms.
We can mitigate the looming water crisis by spreading awareness, not by encouraging people to choose or equip themselves for violence. Do your part.
Regulation of industrial/animal agriculture water usage, restoration of our environments so they are able to retain water, respecting aquifer replenishment rates, exploring water capture technologies, desalination, and water pipelines are all things that are in our power. We can also move some agriculture indoors into vertical farms and use wastewater recirculation.
If we are faced with people literally dying of thirst and not being able to grow food, or having to deal with the byproducts of desalination - the latter is always preferable.
I’m cracking up. More awareness. Fuck off with your thoughts and prayers, darling, the time for awareness was in the mid ‘90s.
You’re very late to the party.
Well, as it stands, we have more solutions and technology on the table than ever before.
Like the recent breakthrough: sodium-ion batteries. Or proton batteries.
If we utilized the products of desalination and put it towards energy storage, vertical farms could be scaled sustainably and powered solely by renewables/solar. Energy storage with non-rare earth materials is groundbreaking.
This gives us some breathing room to stop inputting wasteful amounts of water into agriculture and deal with our topsoil. Vertical farms don't necessarily need water input like typical agriculture and solar panels are cheap to make. This also mitigates the climate's effect on agriculture and yields.
If we could all just get together and do , we'd be able to do it! I've found that relying on other people most often ends in disappointment. I know that's cynical, but it's also not inaccurate.
Yeah, don't be so cynical, endlessnightmare.
The US is not the entire world thankfully.
The water wars aren’t in the US.
Never heard of the Colorado River, huh?
Selfish is having kids to fill narcissistic tendentcies and then bitching and moaning about how other people are unwilling to raise them for you.
I addition, yes.
Is it not selfish to throw your hands up and give up because governments are choosing inaction and corporations are out of control?
I'm a childless (for life) gay person and I'm not a Christian. Nice personal attack, though.
We all share responsibility to take real action to focus our species on solutions to avoid mass suffering and death.
I do take some fairly serious steps towards anticonsumption and reducing my footprint, such as not eating meat. One of the steps I have taken to reduce the environmental damage that I cause is to not have children. This has an additional effect of preventing their suffering and death.
This seems to be perfectly in line with your stated goal.
Your personal choices are your own decision, but I do think it's admirable for you to claim personal responsibility.
Though, shaming or judging others for wanting to have a family and continue their genetic line is not something I advocate for.
Your small steps to reduce your impact simply aren't enough. Even if they were bigger than they are, it still doesn't put you on a pedestal to look down on others for their decisions. You are free to do so, but you won't get my approval.
We need worldwide change. Vastly reducing animal agriculture and non-essential industry is imperative.
Choosing to not consume meat doesn't solve the major issue. It doesn't make even make a small dent and virtue signalling about your choices doesn't do anything either.
People buy this stuff because it's usually cheap and readily available. It's cheap and readily available because there is almost no regulation.
Slowly phasing out factory farming and animal agriculture and replacing it with lab-grown meat is necessary. We also need to explore non-meat protein sources more seriously, the options that exist just suck, they are expensive (besides tofu), and many products contain common allergens, like soy and wheat.
You seem to be going out of your way to respond negatively to someone who is trying to do something. But you seem mistaken in thinking that I'm seeking some sort of approval.
No, I'm more interested in setting an example that others can follow. Are you familiar with the quote "be the change that you want to see"? I don't tell people not to eat meat. I let my actions speak for me and simply show them that it can be done, and how to do it. This goes for other anticonsumption habits that I practice as well.
Could you please help me figure out protein sources that are non-meat and don't include wheat or soy? I have trouble digesting large quantities of beans. It's affecting my health.
And of course I greatly appreciate you. I realize you aren't seeking approval. I think wanting to ease the suffering of others that exist is also admirable. People like us are attempting to trailblaze a better future and of course it's worthy of recognition.
Soy, in particular, is my single-biggest source. While wheat is used for some plant-based proteins, I would expect that a wheat sensitivity or allergy has broader implications beyond protein. Since I don't need to avoid soy, I consume regular tofu. However they do make soy-free tofu from a variety of other sources, such as "pumfu" made from pumpkin seeds. I can't attest to its taste, however.
In addition to soy, I lean heavily on beans (soy is a bean ... so other types of beans) and lentils. Nuts and peanuts are also a good source of protein, but I can only consume limited quantities due to their high fat content which is a digestive issue for me. They do make a de-fatted peanut butter powder that you could probably mix into shakes and such; it has about 50% of calories from protein. Pea protein may be another option, but this might hit upon your limitations on beans and is also a processed food item.
Admittedly, allergies to soy and wheat and restriction on beans does kneecap you a bit. Is the issue with beans the fiber content? I'm just curious if this will spill over into other legumes such as lentils, peanuts, and pea protein.
Thank you. I am very grateful for your insights. I haven't asked for help much at all in my life and I appreciate it more than you know.
I am unsure what generally causes my discomfort in the bean department. Soy and tofu cause very awful non-allergic reactions, but I will look into this further. As for wheat, I highly suspect it's more than a sensitivity, though I don't particularly want to pursue a diagnosis for celiac disease if I can just avoid it.
I tend to do fine with moderate amounts of pinto beans, kidney beans, black beans, chickpeas, and a few others, but admittedly it seems like there are more beans that I can try and vary. Lentils seem to give me some trouble though, which is unfortunate because I like them more than most beans.
Pea protein and peanut butter seem to be fine. I will look into pumfu (sounds life-changing) and defatted peanut butter and incorporate those into my diet. I tend to do fine with pumpkin seeds and peanuts, but I also have issues with high fat content food. Great suggestions, I had no idea they were a thing. I don't really care about taste, I just want to be healthy and make choices that align with my ethics.
You put a smile on my face. Sorry to be perceivably negative, the situation on this planet is incredibly frustrating for everybody with a desire for a better future and I don't want to alienate anyone. Thanks once again.
Edit: Apparently chickpea tofu is a thing too. I will have to try that because chickpeas are a bean I tolerate the most. I just never shopped at the local retailer that stocks it. Pumfu is proving hard to find near me unless I go 36 miles to obtain it, but maybe I can stock up if I ever have to go that way.
I was thinking on this some more, and another source that I didn't mention was mycoprotein and other fungal proteins. These aren't as common, but you could look for Quorn (note that many, but not all, of their products do contain egg) or Meati. Mushrooms have a good % of calories from protein, but they do tend to be rather expensive so really more of a way to round things out. Nutritional yeast is more of a seasoning than a food per se, but you might get a gram or 2 here and there. I put it on popcorn and mix into some sauces.
There are also some non-wheat grains that I would consider modest sources of protein: oats and quinoa. These aren't heavy hitters and aren't enough on their own but can help fill in the gaps and provide some variety. Oats at least are also very inexpensive.
It's worth mentioning that I specifically avoided introducing myself using the "v-word" (vegan). Although I consider it to be the ideal to strive for, I take "don't let perfect be the enemy of good" to heart and find that discussing a reduction in animal products to be a more approachable goal for many people. I'm not a dietician and won't claim that everyone can make it work without animal proteins, particularly those with multiple allergies, unique requirements, or limitations on what food is actually available to them. From your earlier comment, I agree with your assessment on lab-grown meat and am a huge supporter of these technologies. You should know that lab-grown dairy protein (whey) already exists and is available in commercial products. I have had ice cream and cream cheese using this animal-free dairy protein.
I'm sorry if my previous comment came off a bit aggressive. I think I had misread your intent, but now it is clear that we are on the same page.
It's definitely warmed my heart hearing your thoughts and insights.
I do actually think Quorn is around in some retailers, but it is expensive - it's not terribly expensive though. I liked it when I consumed it in the past and it agreed well with me. Beyond/Impossible have a small amount of amount of problematic ingredients (like avocado oil in one of them - which I am allergic to, not just sensitive to), but the main issue I simply can't afford them.
I recently moved back to a rural area and I don't access to a Kroger/Whole Foods/Wegmans (not that supporting any chain is really something I'm proud of), so admittedly my options are limited. This interaction prompting me to find out that chickpea tofu is available locally and that pumfu is available (though a bit far from my location) is completely life-changing.
I'll have to get nutritional yeast, I didn't realize it was an (albeit small) protein source - it's a great seasoning. The defatted peanut powder seems very good to order in bulk. I had no idea about lab-grown dairy protein, it sounds great and I will consider it as well. I didn't realize quinoa had a modest amount of protein, so I will have to incorporate that. And I'll have to trial oats to see if they bother me. I take a plant-based multivitamin for vegans (Ora) already so I should be good to transition over anytime I want to a fully plant-based diet.
I have always aspired to go vegan, and was a practicing vegetarian for many years. It was wrecking my health, and I really almost didn't know what to do. It took me a while (and many years in denial) to realize wheat and soy were the culprits that were specifically bothering me. So for many years, I have mainly ate fish, a moderate amount of beans, some cheese, or ate some free-range eggs, and small amounts of poultry (which does not bring me any joy to admit). None of the aforementioned (besides beans) are things I'm particularly fond of consuming for various reasons (which we likely are 110% on the same page on), but I admit on some levels I'd had given up on trying to find what agrees with my body.
Our interaction has renewed my interest in exploring my options though. I probably misread your intent too, I know I err on the side of naive optimism and that usually doesn't result in the best interactions with people who are informed on the state of the world, but damn it, I'm just tired of giving up and seeing others give up.
Thank you for exposing me to your knowledge once again. I am sorry to have reacted strongly earlier too. It was unfair to you.