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You're judging the end phase with the beginning phase. So of course it isn't going to be 1 to 1.
I am not judging the end phase. Or the beginning. I am bringing a different perspective into the discussion.
When we think about concentration camps, we think about 1.1 million murders. We think about horrific conditions. We don't talk about the earliest prison style camps.
So, if a german tells you that is offensive to him, he has reasons for it. Pn the other side, in the context of the American population, it is edgy but not over the edge.
Perspective is everything
Perspective is that a Holocaust isn't 1.1 million deaths. Death camps aren't either. These places have existed throughout human history run by tyrants. Pol pot just killed them in the fields. You do not have the patent on it because you are German and have been made to understand and feel terrible about your history. A Holocaust is happening in Palestine right now. A Holocaust is beginning in America. Denying it because millions haven't died yet only allows it to continue and to perpetrate the belief that everything is ok. Waiting until they're all dead ensures yet another occurence.
THE Holocaust is the name for the genocide on the Jewish population. Not a describtion.
Please, read it up.
That was THE Holocaust, yes. A holocaust is definition 3b.
Holocaust, uppercase, as used here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
Or like definined here: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/holocaust?q=Holocaust
The proper noun with upper H is used exclusively for one specific event since the 1970s. And the generic genocide meaning is no more.
But of course in most parts of Europe, nazi symbols are prohibited. For example musks salute would be punishable with jail time here in Germany.
So, again, the USA didn't get the memo. I did not even think for a second that in the USA this term is still used outside the context.
That is shameful and part of the overall, basic issue in the USA regarding the current status. The neo nazi culture could thrive without interference, and the could arm themselves btw.
Is your ego so fucking fragile you have to find something to argue and “be right” about? Who TF cares about the semantics of the definition of “Holocaust”, my God.
Just because i found out about this today:
Here is the list of removed books from the Nimitz Library (US Marine Academy as far as i know it): https://media.defense.gov/2025/Apr/04/2003683009/-1/-1/0/250404-LIST%20OF%20REMOVED%20BOOKS%20FROM%20NIMITZ%20LIBRARY.PDF
Have a look what was removed: "Memorializing the Holocaust"
What was not removed: "Mein Kampf".
So, at least some commentors here have something in common with Trumps regime. "Who the fuck cares about what the Holocaust was"
Yes, this is not what you said, but it is what a sentiment like this can lead to.
“Who the fuck cares about what the Holocaust was”
That's not what was said, and the language barrier is probably partly to blame for the misunderstanding. We all are very aware of what the Holocaust is and was - it's an event that is being echoed in its early stages RIGHT NOW. You're acting like no one can ever compare anything to it because it was so awful. We humans can do worse, and refusing to make any comparisons to it makes it more likely that it will happen again.
I acknowledge that nobody said that.
And I just said that the current state is not comparable, not yet. The Holocaust started 1940. We are in the precursor though, I never said anything else.
We are on the way to something that can be get as bad as the Holocaust, for sure.
And I don't see any issue comparing it. But the current comparsion is trivializing what happens 1940 and can happen in the near future again.
And again; that is my perspective and the perspective of some Germans is spoke to over exactly this thread. This does not mean that you should not make those comparisons!
You should be aware about the fact that you will offend people, and, that such memes can be as a matter of fact violating law in some countries. Not this one, but one should know this.
That is all.
And to your last part: 100% on the nose. See, if people start thinking, the the current state is comparable to 1940, then we are fucked. Because 1940 is described as the worsed genocide of the modern world.
And especially Americans misused the word and trivialized the Holocaust. So maybe I am overly sensitive ok this one.
I cite Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-antisemitic-hate-speech-nazi-propaganda-holocaust-denial/
https://aktuell.uni-bielefeld.de/2022/10/21/comparing-with-the-holocaust-is-relativizing-history/?lang=en
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_trivialization
A damn lot of people.