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he's become a shill that's using his reputation to guide people back into a party that has done nothing to counter trump and supports the genocide.
Yes, Democrats bad. We get it. What's your solution for that other than the Glorious Revolution™ that most of us disabled and/or living in poverty won't survive.
Not voting for the Democrats really showed them for supporting the genocide. Bet they reversed course on tha- Oh... You mean they decided that Gaza wasn't the problem and instead it was their support of trans people like me? Damn...
Both MAGA and these so-called "allies" want me dead at the end of the day. We're just expected to starve to death when Amerikkka collapses or the people finally rise up.
I know full well how horrific what Israel is doing is. But there was no anti-genocide option on the ballot in 2024. There was no way that Jill Stein or whoever was going to get enough votes to win. Hell, most of Stein's supporters I talked to their best case scenario was getting to 5% for debate access and federal funds next go round. Any that I confronted about Gaza not having 4 years just shrugged and said some variation of "better than voting for a genocide" How exactly? Because they didn't have to sacrifice their ideological purity?
Also, Jill Stein is just as corrupted by Russian money as all the Republican Party leadership are. She just exists to steal Dem votes.
there is no evidence she has taken any Russian money. this is misinformation.
There is a picture of her eating with Putin in Russia. She has been documented with plenty of evidence of her going back and forth from there several times. Fuck her.
more misinformation
Some historical context for you.
Just in case you don't read or comprehend the article here is a TL;DR
Third party is dead in the US without changes to the voting process.
And just to be more clear: You, and anyone else who voted third party essentially voted for Trump. And if you didn't vote you voted for Trump as well.
the mental gymnastics inside one clause are incredible
If you don't understand how either not voting or voting third party equated to voting for Trump then I guess enjoy riding your moral high horse of superiority.
trump only gets to count votes for him. any other vote is a vote against him, and a non vote is a non vote
See the thing is that a candidate only needs a plurality of cast votes. So every vote that doesn't get cast makes that plurality easier to achieve. If there are 100 people that can vote and all of them do you need 51 for a majority. If 10 of them don't vote at all and there's only 90 left you now only need 46 for that same majority. If another 10 of them vote for some third party that person now only needs 41 votes to have the largest plurality. Every person that doesn't vote lowers the threshold for victory.
It's tempting to think that this benefits both remaining candidates equally since both can benefit from that lowered margin. But in reality it gets skewed based on who stayed home/voted third party and who didn't. This is the spoiler effect.
so you know non votes don't get counted for Trump
There's enough blame to go around my love
So what do you recommend?
Yes, we already covered Democrats Bad. I agree. I hate them with a passion. Doesn't change that in a national electoral sense they are the only viable party at this moment to enact any kind of positive change. They are not and should never be the only option. But all people who talk like you do ever seem to offer as a solution is the "Glorious Revolution™" that hundreds of thousands if not millions of vulnerable people WILL die in because they never think about how those people are going to survive when food or medicine supply lines get disputed by fighting for the most fucking basic of examples.
They engage in this rhetoric because it's Magical Thinking that absolves them of having to do something they feel is icky and stains their ideological purity. It'll all be fixed when the Oppressed finally throw off their chains and eat the rich or whatever.
You "disqualified" everyone for not doing enough and left Palestine to the group who would be fine if all Arabic peoples were wiped out.
But I'm sure Palestinians are weeping thankfully about how you and yours voted.
Sounds less like caring about Palestinian innocents and more about performative righteousness and your personal image.
If Trump and maga appreciate your actions (and boy did they), it puts you on their side, imo.
Does yours?
Try seeing outside of black and white absolutes.
Are you unable to see that this administration is WORSE?
Are you incapable of understanding why people who support Palestine might vote for the lesser evil of two guaranteed options?
You and others like you scream about how we don't care about genocide, but I'm pretty sure you know the truth and you're just trying to convince yourself that you did the right thing.
I don't disagree about the Democrats.
We DO disagree that it was worth allowing the administration that is objectively worse for the Palestinians to take charge to make a point about the Democrats.
You're still missing it.
While saving democracy is certainly part of avoiding Trump, you're still trying to spin this into something it's not.
The relevant point here is that with Democrats, they'd probably still be in a load of trouble while the Dems played politics until they figured out just how much of their base supports Palestine.
With the Republicans... they cheer for the genocide. Hell, if they pull enough authority with this grab, they'll probably send troops to help the IDF finish the job.
People like me voted for the chance to avoid the latter. I'd like to think people like you voted for hope.
But when people who voted for neither major party yell about how Democrat voters are "fInE wItH gEnOcIdE", when it was a calculated choice in support of Palestine, it starts to feel like virtue signaling.
Trolling with anonymous input on a basis of moral superiority helps no one and makes you appear to be an agent sowing division. Just FYI, contributing nothing to the conversation, other than telling others they should be ashamed is bot behaviour.
The enemy of progress is division. Holding idealised views of how political parties should be is disingenuous virtue signalling and disregards how politics work(s)ed in America with AIPAC, corporate lobbying and a two party system of First Past The Post elections. You are right to want further change, but right now this divisive rhetoric only serves the ruling class. Democrats are always targeted for their failings and support for the party is often split because of it, while republicans disregard all criticism and stay united through their hatred and obfuscation of the truth. You can be right without also serving the purposes of your enemy. If they prevail, when they finally crush every last one of us because there was no united opposition. It does not matter how correct you are my friend, being right won't matter. "I told you so" means nothing in Hell.
Because the other option is the destruction of Western intellectualism, death camps, the genocide of the working class and White Supremacy. It's quite simple really.
Take note, this is why America need massive education reform and funding for a comprehensive federal department of education. Reading comprehension is suffering.
As a European, thank you. Remember to sound the words out one syllable at a time when you get stuck. <3
No, it isn't actually but when you've never lived outside your state, I guess it's hard to imagine someone who's lived on multiple continents.
the yougov polls shows that your fellow democrats didn't vote because they didn't want to be complicit in a genocide that the democrats openly enabled; not because they wanted to punish the democrats and this is going to happen again and again because even the likes of bernie sanders are a zionists.
that poverty you're living through comes as the hands of democrats and republicans alike. sure, it's slower with the democrats, but you're still going to live with it nonethless.
and there will be no glorious revolution; just a natural decay of the system we're in and a natural response from the people like us once things get bad enough, while we watch people in other places have it much better.
yougov is an england-based private organization, founded by right wingers. They've encroached upon and prevert American politics.
yougov is propaganda.
Yeah, but what lesson did leadership take from this whole thing? That they were too far left on trans issues. But yeah Bernie is the Zionist when he was pushing for blocking weapons to Israel.
I know exactly who is responsible for the merciless regime of means testing that makes escaping poverty such a Sisyphean task because they'd rather 100 deserving people get nothing if it prevents a single undeserving person from benefiting. I have no love for the Democrats. I simply understand that First Past the Post has my well being held hostage and a win outside the duopoly on a national scale is mathematically impossible.
There it is. Pray tell, what is this "natural response" you speak of? Cuz I might be wrong, but it sounds to me like myself and millions like me are still expected to be sacrificed upon the altar of ideological purity so they don't have to do something icky like vote for a Democrat.
zionism and providing weapons to isreal are related, but not the same thing; bernie does one of them, but the results are the same.
the first-past-the-post argument is like anti-3rd-party-voting rhetoric and is meant to re-enforce this shitty voting system and deflect blame away from the people who have forced it upon us. there have been multiple living, breathing examples that prove such rhetoric is false; mexico and sheinbaum is the most recent proof.
the democrats and the republicans are two sides of the same mainstream coin that inevitably come after vulnerable groups when things start to get bad, like they are right now. niemoller's poem warns us that leftists and trans people need to work together to protect ourselves against this mainstream and your comment about the "Glorious Revolution™" & fptp proves how effectively the american system sows disunity.
finally, we have plenty of examples of what this natural response will look like and adherence like yours to the status quo groups like the democrats is helping to usher it in.
The first past the post argument is anti-3rd-party-voting rhetoric? The long studied mathematical tendency of first past the post systems to consolidate towards two party rule through among other factors strategic voting and the spoiler effect? Yeah okay Buddy. You're definitely the best leftist here. You win.
You can accuse Sanders of Entryism to your heart's content and I won't raise more than an eyebrow. But the idea that Sanders is trying to guide liberals back to the liberal party is absurd. Democrats were always going to come home to the Democratic Party. If Sanders is guilty of trying to transform the party from the inside, that's a strategy at least as honorable as Trump's vision of transforming the Republican Party was vile.
But the sentiment is misplaced regardless. Sanders isn't going to find the big OFF button in the Democratic Party's genocide machine, because it doesn't exist. Trying to blame him for liberal endorsements of fascism at home is as foolhard as it would be to excuse him for his historical endorsements of Israel. He can hold all the rallies he wants, for whichever party he pleases. But this is ultimately outside of his hands and squarely in the hands of the American proletariat. They're running the Big Genocide Machine and only they can dismantle it.
this ignores the roles of propaganda, misinformation, manufactured consent and lobbyists have on the american people; liberals ignoring these things are the key reasons why the genocide machine keeps going brrrrr and people who are aware of that fact (as sanders likely is) but help perpetuate it nonetheless are at least as guilty as the conservatives who dgaf.
Well, it cedes that - absent any other voices - the existing liberal propaganda will win out and Dems will revert to the Bill Clinton / Joe Biden candidate mean.
Sanders offering an alternative from within the party isn't selling out anything. He's offering an alternative that won't offend liberals terrified of another Ralph Nader or Ross Perot "stealing" the election for the opposition.