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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 335 points 3 months ago

Do not go after Wikipedia because of one or two shitty people. We need it as a country. I would argue that the world needs it. Make it better and support it while calling out the shitty stuff, don't take it down.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 136 points 3 months ago

Do go for the shitty admins with no mercy though. We don't need Wiki to slowly rot from the inside.

[-] dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world 76 points 3 months ago

We need it as a country.

We need it as a world.

[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Agreed. Especially in times like these - having a free and open source of information is incredibly important.

[-] VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 64 points 3 months ago

Why do US citizens think everyone on the internet is from their country ?

[-] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What part of their comment assumes that everyone else is from their country? I only see them referring to themselves and their own country.

If I said "we need public transit as a city" am I assuming that everyone lives in my city or am I simply talking about my own city? I don't see why this is any different and it seems very nitpicky.

[-] anas@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

If I said "we need public transit as a city" am I assuming that everyone lives in my city or am I simply talking about my own city?

That’s exactly what I would assume, because you’re talking like your city is the default and everyone knows which one you’re talking about.

[-] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

talking like your city is the default and everyone knows which one you’re talking about.

Does this mean that everyone must always specify the geographic area they are from when they talk about it lest they risk being accused of assuming everyone knows? I often say that "we need public transit in my city" and it never once crossed my mind that other people would know or assume what city I'm referring to.

I still don't see how saying that you want x or y in your country is equivalent to talking like your community is the default.

I would totally agree if the statement was "we need x in my country and you all should vote for it" because that would be assuming everyone reading is able to participate and therefore lives there. But that's far from what the statement was, which made no assumptions and didn't even mention a country. All they said was that they want something in their country.

[-] VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

While you're right. It would be better to say something like "I need it for my country" or "US needs it". Since English doesn't distinguish between inclusive and exclusive "we", it can lead to the conclusion that the commenter supposes people reading their comment are from US as well.

[-] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 months ago

I agree it could be more clear, but I don't think it's fair to jump down their throat when they didn't even mention the US. It just strikes me as an uncharitable interpretation.

[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's pedantic. At best because someone wants to virtue signal by tilting at windmills. At worst It's a bad faith argument being made to isolate someone. In both cases it's shite behavior:

An example would be assailing someone for not liking cookies when they simply said they enjoy cake. This tactic was originally used by trolls and hate groups to splinter larger social groups support structure and/or put people on the backfoot... It's become so commonplace people will do it just because the opportunity presents itself. Because someone else will if they don't, anyway. Might as well get the glory of taking someone down a peg.

It's pathetic. Op made an affirmative statement about something they believed in and was promptly shit on by some cunt who brought nothing meaningful to the table themselves. What's worse is the troll initially was getting nothing but positive reinforcement so they could go and do it again. Are we still enjoying all the polarizing "LOL [insert group] BAD!" It really brings the community together.

You don't need to engage every person doing that shit... but for fucks sake stop upvoting it and reinforcing the behavior.

[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

While, surely, OP was speaking English - given the world state why did you immediately jump to the conclusion that the country being referred to was the US? Yes - the statement wasn't broad enough to perhaps include you but it wasn't narrow or hateful in its intent. People (broad statement, including you) need to maybe find some chill and perhaps look for common ground rather than constantly being pedantic cunts. There were a variety of ways to approach that statement without being a twat... so kudos for just going for it - most people would have more tact.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

why did you immediately jump to the conclusion that the country being referred to was the US?

Probably because there’s really only one nationality of people who do this lol

[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Odd. In my experience I have seen many people refer to their home country in that way. Do you refer to your country differently? Perhaps instead of country if OP said here that would have left the pedants less triggered. I digress. Just because you view something as commonplace - does not automatically make it the rule... much less actually reality.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Why are non-americans so fucking pretentious on the Internet?

[-] VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

On what basis do you suppose one is worse than the other? I think both are

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I just thought it was fair game to make a stupidly sweeping assumption. I don't actually think all non-americans are pretentious. But the loud ones here on Lemmy sure love to make broad sweeping statements about entire countries.

[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Hah. I should have refreshed. I just wrote a small novel theorizing you might have been making that exact point. Cheeky ;) I found it amusing - even if the point of it got buried (but made for another great example...)

[-] VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I am non-american and pedantic though not pretentious, be it a counterexample *_*

[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Food for thought: as polarizing as this statement is - it's not all that different from the cheap (generalizing) shot at OP for not having a broad enough statement.

I'm uncertain if that's what @roofuskit@lemmy.world was going for ... but regardless: either by the statement itself or by the apparent downvote pummeling he got - demonstrates perfectly that nobody likes the feeling of getting singled out simply because of their grouping.

It's almost always a dick move. Unless the group in question is a hate group or nazis... because fuck them. Topically - this behavior was (and is) championed by aforementioned groups.

Put simply: we can do better. Better than reddit at least, right?

[-] Gibibit@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

The article is about protecting the integrity of Wikipedia from admins with ulterior motives. Regardless of the correctness of the article, "going after Wikipedia to take it down" does not describe the topic in the slightest. Why does this have so many upvotes? Are any of you even reading the linked article?

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago

I was going off the comments in this thread at the time. The right wants wikipedia to go away.

[-] VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago

To answer your question, It is safe to assume most people read the title and the abstract but don't actually read the article

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago

What the world needs, what you need as a country, is for people to be a bit more discerning and conscious about the reliability of what they read online, and that includes not treating Wikipedia like holy scripture in the way that far too many people do.

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