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[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 67 points 2 weeks ago

It pisses me off to no end when people conflate legitimate criticism of Democrats with tankie rhetoric.

Last election season went something like this:

Progressives: "Please stop sending weapons to a genocidal maniac who is using them to murder children in order to grab land. And stop actively protecting said genocidal maniac from consequences in the international community."

Establisment: "STFU tankie!"

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Maybe if progressives in partisan primary states registered as Democrats and voted in the primaries, they wouldn’t be complaining about all the centrists in office.🤔

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Are you implying there was a Democratic presedential primary that didn't break it's own rules to make sure Biden was the only candidate on the ballot (edit) in many states (/edit)?

If so, you're living in a fantasy.

This is the one-two step for Democratic party apologists.

  1. Blame leftists for their lack of representation in the party.

  2. Rig the processes to make sure that the left wing of the party has no internal representation.

  3. Goto step one.

The best part of this dance from their view? Internal party politics and processes are boring, and the media won't cover it when they cheat.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No. The presidential incumbent primary is a joke. I’m referring to the congressional primary that saw less than 20% attendance. Congress is the primary approval for military aid for Israel. POTUS can use drawdown power, but that can be challenged by Congress.

We have three branches of government, two of which are elected, yet people pretend we have one vote every four years.

[-] chloroken@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Congress is the primary approval for military aid for Israel.

lmfao I love when liberals are fully committed

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Firstly, I’m a progressive. Secondly, what is incorrect about that statement?

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 15 points 2 weeks ago

So you're ok with centrists supporting and actively protecting perpetrators of genocide?

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What about my comment gave you that impression? I’m saying that if progressives voted in Democratic primaries with the same conviction they use to criticize the DNC, we wouldn’t have as many centrists in Congress.

Democratic congressional primaries are decided by ~20% of registered Democrats. You can look at PAC funding and vote for the Democrat that isn’t funded by AIPAC, who will have a better chance of winning the election than a third-party protest vote.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

My point is that Democrats, whether progressive or centrist, shouldn't be supporting this. It shouldn't matter (on this particular topic) if progressives aren't voting; I'm not willing to give centrist Democrats a pass and will condemn them just the same.

I keep hearing that progressives aren't voting in the numbers that they should be, but there might be another problem: there simply aren't that many progressives to get offices. As a "Reddit refugee", I realized that we are overrepresented in a lot of these online echo chambers.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I’ve been left of the Democrats and stumping progressives/greens/independents since the 90s. Most people don’t even know if they live in one of the 30 partisan primary states. Copious amounts of New Yorkers were turned away at the polls in 2016 because they didn’t know they had to be registered as a Democrat to vote for Bernie in the primary. I’m sure that happened in other partisan primary states as well.

Yet in my experience, asking a progressive to register as a Democrat is the fastest way to get them to stop listening, even though it’s statistically far more effective than voting third-party. People need to stop voting with their feelings and start playing the game that we’ve been losing for decades.

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

What primary? The DNC shut down real primaries last election. To the point where undecided was the protest vote.

A race between Biden, Williamson, and Phillips isn’t a real primary.

A real primary would have been something like Biden, Newsom, Whitmer, and maybe Shapiro.

There is no point voting in a rigged primary.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The presidential incumbent primary is a joke. I’m referring to the congressional primary that saw less than 20% attendance. Congress is the primary approval for military aid for Israel. POTUS can use drawdown power, but that can be challenged by Congress.

We have three branches of government, two of which are elected, yet people pretend we have one vote every four years.

[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Accountability is one think these people will not take. Has me questioning where they get off calling themselves progressive. They can't even handle the mere suggestion which is evident by the number of downvotes that occurs when it's mentioned.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

For sure. It’s also easier to shout into an echo chamber and get an upvote than it is to convince someone in the street to take action. I hold no respect for apathy.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

That exactly what you're doing

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Here, yes. This is far from all that I do.

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