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"I judge art on the basis of how it was made, not on its merit in terms of the emotions and thoughts it elicits from me"
"I find the ethics involved in the creation of something to be irrelevant."
It's called capitalism. There are no ethics in how anything is ever created. If you're mad about people being exploited, then fight capitalism.
But poeple just sound corny hating on every work of generated art. It's very possible to make nice pictures and videos with a computer.
No ethical consumption under capitalism doesn't apply to "luxury" goods like art and entertainment. That's like arguing that it's okay for people to still use Reddit and Twitter after all the stuff from the past few years because "no ethical consumption under capitalism." This isn't Amazon or Wal-Mart killing off local businesses so that they're the only place you can find stuff that we're talking about. This is not reading Harry Potter or buying merch because JK Rowling is a TERF. It's super easy to avoid companies like that, I do it all the time. I stopped using streaming services (and TV before that), and there's easily a dozen video game companies that I refuse to buy from due to the way they treat their employees and customers. And protect sexual assault. Let's not forget that Ubisoft and Blizzard both are guilty of that.
This isn't about people making art with digital tools. I do that all the time, and AI gen can easily be a super cool tool for that. Except for the whole stolen labor part of it and people using it to do a corporation while using excuses like "no ethical consumption" to absolve themselves of stealing the skills and work of artists.
Creating art is considered a useless skill looked upon with contempt by society, yet the product is highly coveted, and AI is being used by people who want the reward but don't want to put in the effort and don't want to pay those who can put in the effort fair compensation for their work. It's merely another step in the long road of devaluing artists.
Never heard anyone arguing over the ethics of the mining of lapis lazuli, and i think slavery and human misery trump plagerism.
So if ethics define art then DaVinci, Michelangelo, etc are not artists
Lapis lazuli? Maybe not, but lithium mines are a constant source of criticism for those reasons, and your simplification of the world to an either or scenario is incredibly disingenuous.
If you think that people like Da Vinci and Michaelangelo had nothing to say, then you know nothing about artists. Da Vinci hated the Pope who commissioned the Sistine Chapel so much that he painted him burning in Hell directly behind the altar. He was a gay man who had relationships with his apprentices and performed illegal autopsies on bodies to study the human anatomy during a time when it was considered descecrating the dead, which formed the foundation of modern medicine's understanding of the human body.
You're just making excuses so you feel better about stealing the labor of others.
No one is making excuses, I'm just pointing out the hipocrisy of saying that the art is less valid because of the tools used.
And yes, I believe a person who has an artistic idea but not the skills to represent it should be able to do it though AI, just writing a prompt doesn't make it art just like drawing a sunflower very realistically doesn't make it art. Is music less art because it's made with a synth or in Ableton?
Good thing that's not something I said, then. So what you're doing is arguing a point that nobody said in order to reframe the actual argument into something different. Making excuses to avoid confronting the actual argument.
So do I. But if you're doing that with an LLM made by a company that's using unethically sourced training data to avoid paying the artists who made the art used for training, then you're buying into a system that exploits workers for your own convenience and that makes the art bad. AI slop isn't just slop because of the quality. It's also because it's wage theft. People respect the shitty napkin drawing more because, regardless of the quality, it shows that you were willing to put in the effort without the fancy tools while also not committing a corporation in the process.
The electronic device you used to make this post was also made by exploiting wage laborers for the benefit of capitalists. Yet, you found that device to be so convenient that you still bought and used it anyway. The same could be said for all of the other goods and services that you use.
Perhaps you should remove the beam from your eye before pointing out the splinter in anothers
Said electronic device is a requirement to hold a job in my country and ensure I don't end up homeless. It's the same as owning a car here. If you have neither a phone or a reliable form of transport (meaning a car in this public transit-less shithole of a country), getting and holding a job is incredibly difficult.
This is one of the reasons that the UN has considered access to the internet a basic human right as of the 2000s or so.
Owning a phone and using the orphan crushing machine to make funny pictures on the internet are not equal.
The point is that the system itself is the issue. Calling out specific reasons for that is fine if you do so to call attention to its presence as the bigger systemic threat. But debating if one effect of capitalism is worse than another effect ignores the fact that we should be focusing on capitalism as a whole
AI can be bad only because capitalism is bad. Address the root cause