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As a long time poster at all types of Lemmy instances, I still don't get why people don't like lemmy.ml
Can someone ELI5?
Hex and grad are tankie instances that are very in your face about it and don't carry the honor of being "the flagship" instance and as a result were easy to widely defederate from which led to most people here not having strong opinions on it
.ml admins are hardcore tankies, but try to maintain .ml as the flagship and thus are more subtle about their tankieness. Instead opting to just censor any dissenting opinions before things get crazy in threads.
As a result many instances are way more hesitant to actually defed from them like they did the rest of the Tankie Triad, thus leading to more widespread visibility and in turn more widespread dissatisfaction of them by most.
Checkout !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works (for those on a .ml account you'll need to use this link because, ironically, .ml admins censor that comm from you: https://lemmy.world/c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ) for documented instances of their behavior
One example of this is when I called out some Hexbear users for their bullshit propaganda and then when they started brigading against me and making literal death threats, the .ml mod swooped in, deleted my comments, and gave me a temporary ban. The hexbear users comments remained visible including the death threats.
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I find you in every thread shitting on ml at the vaguest mention of Russia or China though. Before anyone ever brought up anything related to them. It's almost like you have an agenda. Or vendetta.
Please show me on this doll where the dirty commies hurt you:
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Hmm yes, how dare I pushback against authoritarian misinformation, propaganda, censorship and toxicity. I do what I can within my power to prevent (or rather having it get worse I should say)the Lemmy-verse from garnering a rep outside for being "That Tankie Place" or worse, Voat 2.0
I've already seen it on Reddit and testimonials here (from those that actually tried to give it another shot, who knows how many won't ever come back) "I tried that Lemmy place, but it was just a bunch of tankies" is not a pleasant comment to read outside the Lemmy-verse
What I've documented on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works is but a mere fraction of the crap they pull and focused on just .ml
Btw, tankies are authoritarian "communists"
Right. And I'm on board with that and that's not what I am saying. If I mention "Russia bad" in a thread, without any ml presence in the whole post, I don't expect someone to derail my thread with their anti-ml agenda. Why not keep it there where it's relevant: an actual ml poster excusing Russia's behaviour?
Or, as you do, in your welcome messages to new users.
Russia is communist? You might want to update your maps.
might want to tell the tankies that too. since most of them seem to always want to play devils advocate for the former communist - now capitalist mafia state.
Do you have brainrot or something? What kind of leaps did you go through to come to this conclusion that I have implied this in any way?
I was referring to ml users as "dirty commies", not Russia.
How do they get off being the 'Flagship' instance then? Should that concern us or is it meh?
I don't think it can, it's a flagship because it's the first instance, being run by the main devs as a demonstration of Lemmy's capabilities so it's always on the latest beta version at least.
But, they could just stop using it as a tool to further their own political stances and have it actually be a "generalist" instance. For that though, they'd have to give up being the admins of it, which they'll probably never do.
It is of concern yes, but maybe if the wider Lemmy-verse defeded from them, like they did Hex and Grad, it would at least be easier to say that their views are not shared by any of us to any newcomers/outsiders by being able to point to a clear and visible action like defederation.
Damn - as I love Lemmy and believe in the mission it's hard to square that with tankie devs
Do we need users who cannot mentally separate that?
It's full of "communists" that blindly excuse every damn thing that states like China and Russia do just because they dress themselves in red, or used to, and oppose everything western in an attempt to be "anti-imperialist", ignoring what Russia is doing to Ukraine at this very moment. Hypocrites and dogmatic ideologues who can't see nuance in anything.
"When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick". - Mikhail Bakunin
They are a minority that have opposing views. Just as any ideology, they have flaws and they just accept those flaws with open arms.
You could go there and say: china owns 80% of cobalt companies in Congo. You'd get banned.
Can say that china has far higher inequality than the EU. You'd get banned.
You could say that the Chinese government subsidising smartphone and electric vehicle market in china is trickle down economics. You'd get banned. (I get cheap high quality stuff because Chinese citizens their taxes pay for the profit margins of the Chinese shareholders.)
You'd get banned.
I honestly just wonder if they are economically illiterate morons, to be honest ☺️
They try to play themselves off as communists but I can't say I've ever seen a single one of them make a legitimate comment about communist ideals. What they really are is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Chinese and Russian governments.
Historically, groups that have "communist" in their name have been Soviet mouthpieces. Not all of them, and the ideology doesn't require it by any means, but it happened a lot. Conversely, if they had "socialist" in their name, they were more likely to want nothing to do with that shit.
They are tankies.
tankies are generally people who believe in marxist-leninist, or some other form of socialist beliefs. on its own, it isnt a problem
but these people are also intrinsically gullible consumers and advocates of Russian propaganda, because they cant seem to understand Russia stopped being a socialist country 30-40 years ago, and its just a capitalist mafia state now. But they are programmed to associate their ideology with "The motherland".
America bad, West bad, NATO bad, therfor, anything that opposes them must be good?
advocate for the people who will kill you without a second thought.
Thats .ml and tankies for you