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Germany is at a crossroads when it comes to its security policy — one of the deepest upheavals of the post-War era.

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[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 40 points 2 weeks ago

Everyone seems so willing to break the Non Proliferation Treaty nowadays, it's scary

[-] remon@ani.social 53 points 2 weeks ago

Non proliferation was possible because of nuclear security guarantees by the US. Those are now worthless.

[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 weeks ago

Pandora's box is open. Thanks Putin. Thanks Trump. EU can't do nothing... We're heading to more war and disorder either way. Not only more new nukes, also higher chances of them being used again which is even more scary.

[-] Melchior@feddit.org 24 points 2 weeks ago

No need to break it. The treaty can be left within 90 days after giving a notice with a reason. Given that building nuclear weapons takes some time, that seems very possible.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 6 points 2 weeks ago

I've read estimates that, given the technology needed for production, a country like Japan could develop a functioning nuclear device within a month.

[-] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Pretty much any country that runs a sizable domestic nuclear programme can do that. The technology is well known enough to make all sorts of nuclear devices with relative ease. A gun type (Hiroshima style) nuclear weapon is very low tech. With enough disregard for (workplace) health and safety, a backyard foundry/machine shop could cobble one together, given they have enough (and pure enough) ^235^U. The biggest obstacle is procuring suitable fissile material in sufficient quantities.

[-] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 22 points 2 weeks ago

Everyone seems so willing to break the Non Proliferation Treaty nowadays, it’s scary

Non-Proliferation is based on the promise of nuclear powers to defend those who don't have nukes. Since this promise is out of the window thanks to Trump, proliferation is the logical consequence.

[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 4 points 2 weeks ago

Not really, the goal was disarmament and exchange of peaceful nuclear technology

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

this promise is out of the window thanks to Trump,

*George W Bush (and Israel in general).

[-] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

What does Israel have to do with the problem of non-nuclear NATO nations no longer being able to rely on the US' promise to defend them with their nukes?

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Literally no-one mentioned NATO before you, no-one referred to US protection specifically. Respond to the actual discussion, not the one in your head.

[-] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

This is an article about a potential German nuclear bomb. Germany is a NATO country which so far has been provided with US nukes within the framework of nuclear sharing. The only reason for the sudden ambitions for own nukes for Germany, but also eg Scandinavia, is directly linked to the apparent unreliability of Trump's US in terms of said nuclear sharing and hence especially a concern for non-nuclear NATO members.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Again, respond to the actual discussion, not the one in your head

[-] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago
  1. You might want to work on your tone. Check rules 3 & 5.

  2. This is the discussion you chose to chime in on:

Article titled: Is it Time for a German Nuclear Bomb?

User A: Everyone seems so willing to break the Non Proliferation Treaty nowadays, it’s scary

User B, citing Everyone seems so willing to break the Non Proliferation Treaty nowadays, it’s scary: Non-Proliferation is based on the promise of nuclear powers to defend those who don’t have nukes. Since this promise is out of the window thanks to Trump, proliferation is the logical consequence.

To which you chose to add, citing this promise is out of the window thanks to Trump,:

*George W Bush (and Israel in general).

Given the topic of the article (Germany) and, as mentioned by User A, the currently emerging willingsness of everyone to break the Non Proliferation Treaty, I wonder where you see the connection to "George W Bush (and Israel in general)" rather than Trump's actions that without a doubt are the source for these considerations in a country such as Germany, which, again, is the topic of this article. Maybe you can elaborate it a bit more.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 12 points 2 weeks ago

Most of the people who saw the results of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are dead. The people who grew up hiding under their school desks waiting for the bomb to drop are old.

The memory of the fear is fading.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

I think the fear is very much alive.

If the alternatives are fearing the negative impact potentially imposed vs being imposed upon, most people choose their own safety and security though. Whether that's factual or hypothetical - it's more than not having such a deterrent while the potential aggressor has them.

[-] bzah@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago

People are like: let's move a bit closer to the end of the world, seems like a fun event.

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