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[-] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago
[-] Albbi@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago

I'm not sure why I keep seeing this posted, like it's some sort of gotcha. It doesn't mean our other elections would have to change, just the brand new representatives to the EU.

The vote for liberal leadership used Preferential Voting where you could indicate more than one preference.

[-] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago

It's not about being a "gotcha" - it's about demonstrating a pathway to better democratic representation.

You're right that EU membership would only require PR for European Parliament representatives initially. However, this would create several significant opportunities:

  1. Practical demonstration: Canadians would experience firsthand how an electoral system that ensures every vote counts actually works, rather than just hearing theoretical arguments.

  2. Institutional precedent: Once PR is successfully implemented for one electoral body, the argument that it's "too complex" or "un-Canadian" becomes much harder to maintain.

  3. Democratic legitimacy gap: Having representatives to the EU Parliament elected through PR while our own MPs are chosen through FPTP would create an obvious legitimacy contrast that would be difficult to justify.

The Liberal leadership vote using preferential voting actually supports this point. Internal party processes already recognize the limitations of FPTP - they just don't extend those same democratic principles to the general electorate. In fact, all parties, even the Conservatives, use superior electoral systems to FPTP.

The reality is that 76% of Canadians support electoral reform according to recent polling, but our major parties benefit from maintaining a system that systematically discards votes. Exposure to functioning PR would make the democratic deficit in our current system increasingly apparent.

[-] AChiTenshi@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

Because it's a step towards proportional representation. It would expose much more of the populace to how it's done. Hopefully getting more people used to the idea of it.

[-] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

England, Wales and Scotland had EU PR elections for 15 years, but England still rejected PR at referendum.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

There would be voting changes , I believe, something about EU membership requiring a certain type of voting system. Eg. Not FPP

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Hungary's system is half proportional, half FPP on steroids, but it's just as bad as FPP since our FPP lets the winner not just take the seat, but also extra votes into the proportional part of the race.

So, no, the EU is fine with everything, the only thing is that EU citizens have to be able to vote in local elections wherever we live, regardless of citizenship. That means if you join, and I rent a place in Toronto and move in, I get a vote for the Toronto mayor on day one.

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